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In reply to the discussion: Look at all you people looking for a purge. It's ridiculous. [View all]stupidicus
(2,570 posts)40. my my, whatta devastating indictment
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just because they didn't show up at the "polls" for the same reasons many cons didn't is merely a citing of similar behavior that in no way undermines their respective "Network Moment-like" rationales behind their decisions.
Convention has it that non-voters have only themselves to blame. If you dont vote, dont complain. The dictum assumes that voters are more virtuous, more entitled to democracys spoils, than non-voters. But voting is neither a virtue nor a responsibility. It is a neutral civil right, like the right to marry, have children, earn a graduate degree. Not voting like not marrying or not procreating future taxpayers is a right of equal weight, a choice as defensible as the choice to vote. Both are exercises in freedom. To blame a citizen for not voting is like blaming another for voting for a crook. The blame is sanctimonious either way, suggesting the existence of an ideal voter out there, prescient and unfailing. No such voter exists, but the cult of the voter as superior citizen persists. http://www.counterpunch.org/2002/10/28/in-defense-of-not-voting/
Furthermore, since when does a lack of membership or participation in a groups activity bar the moral and 1st Amendment right to declare something wrong -- a complaint?
ANd the idea that you have to make a time and effort commitment to effect change before you can complain about that in need of changing, is just plain silly.
And any political junkie should know that money chooses candidates these days, and has for quite some time.
Membership to that vote-owners association is a matter of money, that legal swindle euphemistically called campaign finance. One man, one vote is an ideal at a table rigged for high-rollers. If, as Benjamin Disraeli put it, there is no gambling like politics, one grand is ante for the game, one million is a congressmans eternal friendship, a senators returned phone calls, a presidents earlobe for a few minutes. That cool million is also out of 200 million American voters league. The wonder is that 100 million Americans still have the heart to vote.
Nobody's is contesting the simple math associated with the number of voters that showed up, so bury that strawman, and realize the reasons they didn't. Your silly demand that every voter become some sorta leader sounds remarkably like the "bootstrap" BS rightwingers peddle, that willfully and blindly ignores the many factors that makes it silly and simplistic and far from a viable solution as well, because it ignores all hurdles in the way.
Gee, does this mandate from you apply to all those burdened by 2-3 jobs and kids, etc, etc, etc, as well?
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I will say that Grimes didn't lose because of her reponse to the "vote for Obama" question.
NYC_SKP
Nov 2014
#1
Absolutely, there's good reason when the polls are wrong, now multiply that across the board,
mother earth
Nov 2014
#5
Yes, exactly, our party lets them get away with this and then through MSM the blame is placed on
mother earth
Nov 2014
#131
Of course not. She lost because KY is a red state, and they were worried about their Coal industry
still_one
Nov 2014
#102
I like going Right. Maybe in 20 years we can nominate Bristol Palin for Prez! The Republican will be
blkmusclmachine
Nov 2014
#4
Then don't vote. They didn't vote for Grimes because they thought republicans would protect their
still_one
Nov 2014
#105
So you don't think all the candidates distancing themselves from Obama didn't make a difference?
AngryOldDem
Nov 2014
#123
BS. I showed up. I hadn't had power for 3 days, hadn't showered for 3 days. Slept on the floor
magical thyme
Nov 2014
#9
I think what many here are saying is that if you want voters to show up at the polls,
hedgehog
Nov 2014
#21
Romney lost because most of the time he couldn't explain why he should be President -
hedgehog
Nov 2014
#22
excellent point, at least Nelson votes with other Democrats vast majority of the time
steve2470
Nov 2014
#107
It is the responsibilty of the Party to motivate the electorate to go to the polls
Maedhros
Nov 2014
#33
Fuck that. Voter suppression, media brainwashing, and fuck-all gerrymandering screwed the pooch! nt
valerief
Nov 2014
#35
Very well stated, but to no avail I'm afraid as you are responding to a talking point
Dragonfli
Nov 2014
#60
Voting wins elections! Staying home loses them! Not a lot of cerebral work to see this, understand
RKP5637
Nov 2014
#44
Keep running third-way candidates and you will continue to have low turnout. People
NorthCarolina
Nov 2014
#55
By buckling down, starting **NOW** to lay the groundwork for 2016, 2018 & 2020 and beyond
baldguy
Nov 2014
#130
Though I disagree with some of the wording, there is indeed some truth to that.
AverageJoe90
Nov 2014
#62
Funny how the Republicans get to have the likes of Bachmann but we can't have a Kucinich.
Spitfire of ATJ
Nov 2014
#64
Get back in the attic where you belong! This discussion is for seasoned Bullshit artists, er I mean
adirondacker
Nov 2014
#98
Sounds fairly "middle class". You should be happy you have a roof over your head.
adirondacker
Nov 2014
#100
Bachmann is an example of a generation of Republicans raised to believe their own lies....
Spitfire of ATJ
Nov 2014
#136
THANK YOU!!! Although it didnt take long before the "it was fixed" brigade to show up.
7962
Nov 2014
#65
hahahah - the 3rd way is circling the wagons. Funniest post mortem ever.
whereisjustice
Nov 2014
#73
Purity again. Well, only a purity extremist thinks it's best if NSA spies on their children.
whereisjustice
Nov 2014
#86
If you back a Republican't in the primaries, you know they'll lose to a Republican
Scootaloo
Nov 2014
#132
Where is your, "Stop trying to purge liberals and the left from the party" OP?
AgingAmerican
Nov 2014
#112
Please tell us more about Tuesdays electoral victories by centrist Turd Way Dem candidates. Grimes,
Erose999
Nov 2014
#140
I generally agree with you, but at least the purge is an idea for change...
MadDAsHell
Nov 2014
#141
Lie. We are looking for Dems who support the policies of the American people.
grahamhgreen
Nov 2014
#143