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In reply to the discussion: A Woman’s Lifetime Earnings Lost To Pay Gap Could Feed A Family Of Four For 37 Years [View all]BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)84. yes, thank you!
Women deliberately choose jobs that pay crap, out of the love in our hearts, while men understand the value of a dollar and hard work, as someone here is trying to claim........ YEESH!!
Two friends of mine are health care workers...one a nurse, the other a home health-care worker. The physical work they have to do, a too-heavy patient load and SHIT PAY drives me up a wall. It's NOT RIGHT!!
It realllly drives me up a wall to read remarks from DUers like that, blaming women and consistently trying to paint men as the wronged party. He also fails to recognize that when a field changes from a male work-force to a female work-force, the pay drops, and men in female-dominated jobs make more than their female coworkers. Female college graduates in careers are promoted less often and for lesser pay increases than their male colleagues. Secretaries used to be male. Telephone operators used to be male. Clerks --clerical workers-- used to be male. Then, in the 19th century, managers realized they could hire droves of women and pay them less for the same work. Voila: pink collar workers.
Here's a snip and link from a specific field, published in a professional e-journal you might find interesting. I thought it was pretty interesting, anyway--especially coming from professionals in a specific field.
http://respiratory-care-sleep-medicine.advanceweb.com/Salary-Information/Salary-Survey/Gender-Gap-Still-Exists.aspx
SALARY SURVEY RESULTS
Gender Gap Still Exists
Ten years ago, male respiratory therapists and sleep professionals outnumbered females by two to one. But the field is no longer a boy's club of medicine. Sixty percent of the profession are women, and an equal percentage of managerial roles are held by females.
But on one measure, women continue to fall short - salary. And the difference is not just a women's issue. "Traditionally, when positions become female-dominated, they become less attractive to men, and the salary goes down," said Page S. Morahan, PhD.
On average, women in the cardiopulmonary field make 87 cents for every dollar men make, according to results from the ADVANCE 2010 Salary Survey. Their hourly wage, $27.69, is almost $10 short of their male colleagues.
"I cannot believe that," said Dawn Short, RRT, of Sheldon, Ill., when she learned of the wage difference. "In this particular job, I thought it would be really equal."
Groups like the Executive Leadership in Academic Medicine Program (ELAM) for Women work to counter that assumption. ELAM for Women strives to promote females to management roles in equal numbers as men.
Gender Gap Still Exists
Ten years ago, male respiratory therapists and sleep professionals outnumbered females by two to one. But the field is no longer a boy's club of medicine. Sixty percent of the profession are women, and an equal percentage of managerial roles are held by females.
But on one measure, women continue to fall short - salary. And the difference is not just a women's issue. "Traditionally, when positions become female-dominated, they become less attractive to men, and the salary goes down," said Page S. Morahan, PhD.
On average, women in the cardiopulmonary field make 87 cents for every dollar men make, according to results from the ADVANCE 2010 Salary Survey. Their hourly wage, $27.69, is almost $10 short of their male colleagues.
"I cannot believe that," said Dawn Short, RRT, of Sheldon, Ill., when she learned of the wage difference. "In this particular job, I thought it would be really equal."
Groups like the Executive Leadership in Academic Medicine Program (ELAM) for Women work to counter that assumption. ELAM for Women strives to promote females to management roles in equal numbers as men.
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A Woman’s Lifetime Earnings Lost To Pay Gap Could Feed A Family Of Four For 37 Years [View all]
Luminous Animal
Apr 2012
OP
Feel free to "trot" out the old debunking arguments... please. Please do so. nt
riderinthestorm
Apr 2012
#5
I am not going to lend credence to a report commissioned by the Bush Admin and done by a Rand Corp
Luminous Animal
Apr 2012
#13
Actually, most studies up to this Randian pretty much supported this stat.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2012
#70
Your own article doesn't support the stat, if you read it carefully. They blazon "77%," but read
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#79
It's not a rand spin-off, it's headed by a former rand employee. somewhat different.
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#67
Doesn't matter what you believe, she says it was her choice and there's no particular reason
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#80
And women? I'm a female farmer - one of the most dangerous occupations on any list. nt
riderinthestorm
Apr 2012
#18
but men disproportionately perform the most dangerous jobs. that's just a fact.
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#60
Mining, farming, fishing, roofing, pay more than comparably skilled safe jobs.
lumberjack_jeff
Apr 2012
#37
Something wrong with this statistic. For most people, 37 years is about close to a lifetime's work
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#9
In 2010 women who worked full time, year round, still only earned 77 percent of what men earned
Luminous Animal
Apr 2012
#15
And the men that do the same job (I'm assuming nurses' aide) get the same lousy pay.
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#65
Well, there is the rub. A traditional man's job (education and training) will command
Luminous Animal
Apr 2012
#68
and that's a question that "women only make 77% of what men do" does nothing to advance
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#69
Equal pay for equal work is already the law of the land, and so is non-discrimination in hiring.
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#74
and that's where i disagree with you, when you put wage differences in job categories down to
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#73
"holding the same full-time, year-round job" is a misrepresentation, intentional or otherwise.
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#81
I agree that nurses aides are underpaid for what they do. That said, they *did* chose to do it.
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#93
I didn't say anything like that. They *do* need to feed families, and half of them do it on abysmal
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#21
The disparity between the bottom 20% and the top 20% is larger and has larger ramifications for
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#57
Yes, they're going to hire the woman, but it could just as easily be an h1b male or anyone else
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#78
Now that I read the entire article, I see how duplicitous it is. While trumpeting the lifetime
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#76
I didn't know there were wage gap deniers. And to find one on the DU of all places! nt
Liquorice
Apr 2012
#82