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AZ Progressive

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9. FDR was the only president to get Americans to accept socialism
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 04:53 PM
Nov 2014

And those generations are mostly dead now. The majority of America's culture is anti-socialist due to its roots in Puritanism as well as the Puritan / Protestant work ethic, which endorses a winners and losers society.

"Enter a group of Dutch economists, who have discovered that the Protestant work ethic is real. A recent paper by André van Hoorn and Robbert Maseland:

Test[s] the relation between Protestantism and work attitudes using a novel method, operationalizing work ethic as the effect of unemployment on individuals’ subjective well-being. Analyzing a sample of 150,000 individuals from 82 societies, we find strong support for a Protestant work ethic: unemployment hurts Protestants more and hurts more in Protestant societies. Whilst the results shed new light on the Protestant work ethic debate, the method has wider applicability in the analysis of attitudinal differences."
- http://www.psmag.com/navigation/business-economics/protestant-worth-ethic-real-65544/


"Not all of the legacy of Puritanism suggests moral uprightness. Studies since the ’70s have also found that Americans who score high on a Protestant Ethic Scale (emphasizing self-reliance and self-discipline) or similar metric show marked prejudice against racial minorities and the poor; hostility toward social welfare efforts; and, among obese women, self-denigration." -http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/opinion/sunday/are-americans-still-puritan.html?_r=0

"According to the World Values Survey, Americans approval of competition is unmatched by any other industrialized country on earth. Americans also believe more strongly in the fairness of unequal outcomes, rewarding those who try and succeed and leaving those who fall behind to their own devices." -http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wired-success/201208/why-do-we-have-obsession-winning

"Why the persistence of Puritanism in American life? “New England exercised a disproportionate influence on American ideals,” the historian John Coffey says, “thanks to a powerful intellectual tradition disseminated through its universities, its dynamic print culture and the writings of its famous clergy.” He also notes the power of Evangelicalism as a carrier of Puritan values and America’s resistance, compared with other largely Protestant nations, to secularization." -http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/opinion/sunday/are-americans-still-puritan.html?_r=0


You'd have better luck having the west coast and the northeast to secede.

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Yes, I did Rec this thread. MineralMan Nov 2014 #1
I'm with you on this one. Warpy Nov 2014 #7
I just don't see a path to get there, MineralMan Nov 2014 #8
I do the same thing, MineralMan! calimary Nov 2014 #33
Thanks. I'm always glad to see your threads. MineralMan Nov 2014 #34
I believe in your threads, too, MinMan. KnR Hekate Nov 2014 #42
For Democratic Socialism to work I think it upaloopa Nov 2014 #2
I truly believe that it is impossible in the U.S. MineralMan Nov 2014 #3
I'm 68. If the repubs don't fuck with my pension upaloopa Nov 2014 #6
They won't change your pension... Stads... Nov 2014 #11
I wish I could be so sanguine about it. annabanana Nov 2014 #17
Not so fast: Raine1967 Nov 2014 #28
Pensions have been lost completely, too. MineralMan Nov 2014 #51
Hell, I'll settle down and shut up for Social Democracy, never mind the Socialism. But KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #4
Exactly. MineralMan Nov 2014 #5
FDR was the only president to get Americans to accept socialism AZ Progressive Nov 2014 #9
Yes, I know. I said so in the first paragraph of my post. MineralMan Nov 2014 #10
I know, I just wanted to say that anyway. AZ Progressive Nov 2014 #22
OK, cool! MineralMan Nov 2014 #23
Dems will be ok and back in power which is much better for America Iliyah Nov 2014 #12
Yes, perhaps. They could have won this year, too. MineralMan Nov 2014 #13
Agree Totally colsohlibgal Nov 2014 #14
GOPers don't want most Americans educated nor have good health Iliyah Nov 2014 #20
no, you want to have expectations limber enough that you can lower them to whatever you're handed, MisterP Nov 2014 #15
You are incorrect. MineralMan Nov 2014 #16
Naw BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #41
I totally agree. Thank you for writing this OP... cry baby Nov 2014 #18
Thanks! You may use it however you wish. MineralMan Nov 2014 #19
Thank you, sir. nt cry baby Nov 2014 #21
I Agree with Most of It Leith Nov 2014 #24
A capitalist economic system favoring the rich has to be balanced by a socialist system ErikJ Nov 2014 #25
you were just rooting for the 3rd way the other day Phlem Nov 2014 #26
No, actually I wasn't. MineralMan Nov 2014 #32
I prefer a Social Democracy ... GeorgeGist Nov 2014 #27
+1 Rex Nov 2014 #29
Actually, cionservatives just love socialism eridani Nov 2014 #30
Interesting stuff. Thanks! ~nt RiverLover Nov 2014 #36
I want that too... ReRe Nov 2014 #31
This country has almost always tempered capitalism with socialism. Sparkly Nov 2014 #35
I agree completely. DemocraticWing Nov 2014 #37
No change will ever come UglyGreed Nov 2014 #38
I always knew you were a firebrand. rug Nov 2014 #39
Me LAST, not Me FIRST FrodosPet Nov 2014 #40
Good post MineralMan airplaneman Nov 2014 #43
You express my position completely. Thanks. freshwest Nov 2014 #44
Democratic Socialism is the only thing that will save this country now IdiocracyTheNewNorm Nov 2014 #45
Yes we have gotten some little progress in the areas of social issues, rhett o rick Nov 2014 #46
I agree but the the word "Socialist" will doom it to failure due to ignorant masses. glinda Nov 2014 #47
Yes, of course. Lots of things would doom it in the U.S., I'm afraid. MineralMan Nov 2014 #48
True but "Socialist" much more so. glinda Nov 2014 #49
Well, yes. Which is why Bernie Sanders won't win in any General Election MineralMan Nov 2014 #50
we will see glinda Nov 2014 #62
Then take the word back. Half-Century Man Nov 2014 #54
Sounds great Half-Century Man Nov 2014 #52
So do I. SamKnause Nov 2014 #53
Do you see Populism and Socialism as compatible or competitive? demwing Nov 2014 #55
Populism isn't a political philosphy. MineralMan Nov 2014 #59
Most Socialists in the US vote for Democrats too. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #56
Most socialists oppose physical/corporal punishment of children, but you don't CreekDog Nov 2014 #57
How strange. I have never used MineralMan Nov 2014 #60
Don't play games. I posted against corporal punishment and you littered the thread CreekDog Nov 2014 #61
I'm a socialist and i vote Democratic. I vote Democratic because Democratic ideals are closer to Louisiana1976 Nov 2014 #58
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