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137. Harry Truman thought similarly:
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 05:24 PM
Nov 2014

Address at the National Convention Banquet of the Americans for Democratic Action

May 17, 1952

General Biddle and distinguished guests:

Your President has put me in a very embarrassing position. You know, it has been remarked before historically "O that mine enemy would write a book." Sometimes it's bad for your friends to write books.

It is a real pleasure to speak before the national convention of the ADA--Americans for Democratic Action.

The ADA was set up in January 1947. Those were dark days for the liberal forces in America. But you people had the courage to take up the fight and go forward. You dedicated yourselves to fight for progress and against reaction--against reaction of the right and against reaction of the left.

You helped to hang the record of the 80th Congress around the neck of the Republican Party--and I finished the job. You held firm against the fanatical and misguided attacks of the Wallace movement. And since 1948, you have been going down the line for policies and programs in the interest of the people and in fulfillment of the highest values we cherish in this Republic. I congratulate you on all the effective work you have done for the cause of liberal government.

Now then I am going to say something to you that I think maybe will please you a little bit.

Of course, there was a time when it might not have been so pleasant for me to meet with the ADA. I understand that 4 years ago-along about this time--some of the leaders of ADA were engaged in rather wild fancies about the Presidential nomination.

I am told there was a little poem that gained some currency in ADA circles in those days, and it went like this:

"Between the Taft and the Dewey,
When defeat is beginning to lower,
Comes a pause in the ADA's occupation,
That is known as the Eisenhower."

You know, the peculiar part about it was that you were a young political organization and you had not studied the history of conventions. A President of the United States, when he desires and when he wants to be nominated, there isn't anybody in the world can keep him from being nominated. The same thing is true when he doesn't want to be nominated.

I doubt if you will be having any pauses for that particular purpose this year.

In spite of the various notions about the nomination in 1948, the outcome of the election that year pleased all of us here--particularly me, and it astonished a great many people. It simply astonished a great many people. Mark Twain said, in an inscription I have always had on my desk, "Always do right. It will please some people, and astonish the rest." Well, that's what we did in 1948. We astonished the pollsters and the sabotage press, and the opposition candidates--Republican, crackpot, and Dixiecrat. The results were good for the country, even though they set back the science of political forecasting for a full generation. I hope it set them back forever.

You remember way back--you are too young for that--you know what happened to the Literary Digest in a certain poll. I like to remember Elmo Roper in his September spasm in which he said no more polls were necessary, Dewey would be the next President, there really wasn't any use to hold an election in November. He has been apologizing about that ever since, and trying to get his poll back.

Now the time has rolled around again when you folks have the problem of trying to pick and choose a candidate to support. You are not the only ones who have that problem, and I assure you I am fully aware that it can be a very perplexing problem indeed.

But we are lucky in having a number of good presidential candidates in the field, and some of them are here tonight. I am sure that the ADA will find a candidate who expresses in his philosophy and in his record the things that this organization stands for. Obviously, such a man would have to be a Democrat.

Because this is an election year, I would like to talk to you a little bit about politics. I know you are a nonpartisan or bipartisan organization. I heard it carefully analyzed here just a minute ago--at least, I have heard that you have some Republicans among your membership, and I am sure that at one time it was true. I don't know whether it is now or not.

I want to ask these Republicans who are in the ADA not to include themselves in any remarks I am about to make about the Republican Party. When I talk about the Republican Party here tonight, I mean the dinosaur wing of the Republican Party-which unfortunately seems to be in control of that party. They are living in 1896 and 1920. They are made up of the Republicans of 1896 and 1920, under William McKinley and Warren G. Harding.

The first thing I will say about the Republican Party, believe it or not, is an expression of gratitude. I want to thank them for the way they help the Democrats win elections. Under the liberal policies of the Democratic administration, our country has grown strong and prosperous. And this has been true for such a long time now that people tend to forget what things were like under the Republicans. They criticize the mistakes the Democrats make, but they take for granted all the benefits we have brought them. Every 4 years it begins to look as if the people had forgotten what a Republican administration would mean to the country. And the Republicans go around convincing themselves that they cannot possibly lose the presidential election. I have heard it happen 4 times.

But it is just at this point, when things look darkest for the Democrats, that you can count on the Republicans to do something that will save the day--that is, it will save the day for us. You can always count on the Republicans, in an election year, to remind the people of what the Republican Party really stands for. You can always count on them to make it perfectly clear before the campaign is over that the Republican Party is the party of big business, and that they would like to turn the country back to the big corporations and the big bankers in New York to run it as they see fit. They are just not going to do it.

Just leave them alone, and the Republicans will manage to scare the daylights out of the farmer and the wage earner and the average American citizen. They always do that.

I had the best time I ever had in my life going up and down this country, telling the people the truth, and when they found out what the truth was, you know what they did. And I am here to say to you that when a man in politics, if he is a leader. has the right ideas, the people are willing to listen to what he has to say. It is a matter of salesmanship.

And that's the reason the pollsters are wrong, whenever you have a candidate who will go out and say what is good for the people--they will believe him; but they go down the street and meet the first three or four people, and ask them who you are for and why you are for him. "Oh," they say, "I'm for this fellow. Of course some article in the paper said this or that about him." And they don't know anything about them, really. That is really what makes leadership in politics. You have got to go out and sell yourself, and what you stand for. And we are going to get a candidate like that, and he is going to win.

Now, the Republicans in 1948, in that 80th Congress of theirs, they went after organized labor with their Taft-Hartley law. They went after all wage earners by their attacks on the social security program. They went after the farmer by tampering with price supports and by failing to provide grain storage.

This year they are at it again. The Republicans think they have been so successful with their campaign of smears and character assassination that they have the Democrats on the run. And they just can't restrain themselves enough to hide their true colors until after the election. They are too impatient. First one way and then another they are giving themselves away. Take this steel dispute.

I am not going to talk about constitutional issues here tonight; they are before the Supreme Court. I just want to bring out a few facts about the economics of this dispute in the steel industry.

The steelworkers came in before a Government agency and proved that they were entitled to some wage increases. It was all perfectly fair, clear, and aboveboard. You can look at the figures and you can look at the record and see for yourself.

And then it was the turn of the steel companies. They were asked to agree to fair and reasonable wage increases and to come in and submit their case for price increases, if they needed any. But would they do that? Not at all.

Their profits, whatever yardstick you want to use, have been running close to record levels. I think that is the reason why they don't want to submit their case for consideration on its merits. They refuse to abide by the rules of our stabilization program. They just come out flatly and say that the Government has to give them a big price increase, or else. And I think they want a strike.

Now the Republican leadership didn't have to get mixed up in that fracas at all. The Republican leaders could have taken a calm, judicious attitude and weighed both sides and decided where the merits lie. But that is not the way the Republican leaders act; it never is--thank goodness.

They rushed into the fray at once. They took it up in Congress, and they made speeches up and down the Nation. They demanded four or five new investigations. They threatened to wreck price control, and they're doing their best to do it. And what is the purpose of all this? The purpose is to preserve high profits for the steel companies and prevent wage increases for the steelworkers.

That shows exactly where the Old Guard stands. It shows that their hearts lie with the corporations and not with the working people. It proves that the old Republican leopard hasn't changed a single spot. It ought to serve as a big, glaring danger sign to the voters of this country of what to expect if they turn the administration of the country over to the Republicans who are now in control of that party.

I am glad to say that there were a few Republicans in Congress who did not join in the hue and cry against the steelworkers. Some of them looked at the facts and drew very different conclusions. And one of them did a fine, courageous job of presenting the facts on the Senate floor. That was Senator Wayne Morse of Oregon.

The main body of the Republican leaders are doing just what they do every election year. They are making it good and plain to the American people that so far as domestic policies are concerned, the Republican Party is the party of reaction and the party of special privilege--just as I proved in 1948, and the people believed me; and they will yet.

And they are keeping pace in the field of foreign policy, too. Day after day, they are making it plain that the Republican Party is dominated by isolationists--the ones described by General Biddle--who don't really believe in international cooperation at all.

Today, most of the American people know that the survival of our country depends on our foreign policy. They know that a firm, consistent foreign policy can arise only from a nonpartisan foundation. They know that the leaders of both parties should work together in foreign policy for the good of the country, and that partisan politics should stop at the waters' edge.

The wiser heads of the Republican Party understand these things, too. Some of them have worked for a common agreement between Democrats and Republicans on foreign policy, for the good of the country. But just as these wiser heads appear to have succeeded in getting the Republican Party to stand for the good of the country in foreign affairs, a revolt breaks out; and the old, unreconstructed, isolationist wing of the Republican Party sets out in full cry again-and scares the people half to death.

This happened again, just a few weeks ago. Senator Wiley, the ranking Republican Member of the foreign Relations Committee in the Senate, made a speech to the newspaper editors on April 19. I had a press conference for those editors, and had more fun than I have had in a long time. He said there was a great deal in our international relations of which every American could be proud. He said that the Republican Party should not engage in unjustified criticism of our foreign policy, but should play a constructive role. And he asked us all to remember that, and I quote Senator Wiley verbatim, "We are first and last of that breed called Americans."

It was a good speech, and it was an honest one.

Well, what happened? first of all, the Bettie McCormick sabotage press jumped on Senator Wiley. They said he had endangered his country, betrayed the voters of his State, and imperiled his party. Then his Republican colleagues in the Senate went after him. Senator Cain from Washington, Senator Welker and Senator Mundt, and Senator Hickenlooper from Iowa, Senator Schoeppel of Kansas, and Senator Bridges of New Hampshire, and that great one-man grand jury Senator Ferguson of Michigan, all these gentlemen went after Wiley in a pack. They sneered at him, they jeered at him, they distorted his words, they cross-questioned him. They gave him to understand that this was an election year, and that it was the duty of every Republican to attack the foreign policy of his country. They made it clear that first and last, when it came to foreign policy, they were of that breed called Republicans, and Senator Wiley ought to be likewise. In other words, they are Republicans before they are Americans.

And there wasn't a single Republican who got up on his feet and said Senator Wiley was right.

Nobody ought to be in doubt, now. That was the Republican answer to the latest plea, from one of their own members, for a bipartisan foreign policy. That was their answer to a fellow Republican who dared to stand up and say that our country is doing a good thing when it cooperates with other countries, in Europe and in the far East, to hold back aggression.

Isolationism is not dead. Far from it. Even if the Republicans get a presidential candidate with a good record in foreign affairs, he will not be able to drown out the raucous isolationist outcries of the rest of the party. And that prospect is beginning to scare the voters--and it ought to scare them.

Now, we can always rely on the Republicans to help us in an election year, but we can't count on them to do the whole job for us. We have got to go out and do some of it ourselves, if we expect to win.

The first rule in my book is that we have to stick by the liberal principles of the Democratic Party. We are not going to get anywhere by trimming or appeasing. And we don't need to try it.

The record the Democratic Party has made in the last 20 years is the greatest political asset any party ever had in the history of the world. We would be foolish to throw it away. There is nothing our enemies would like better and nothing that would do more to help them win an election.

I've seen it happen time after time. When the Democratic candidate allows himself to be put on the defensive and starts apologizing for the New Deal and the fair Deal, and says he really doesn't believe in them, he is sure to lose. The people don't want a phony Democrat. If it's a choice between a genuine Republican, and a Republican in Democratic clothing, the people will choose the genuine article, every time; that is, they will take a Republican before they will a phony Democrat, and I don't want any phony Democratic candidates in this campaign.

But when a Democratic candidate goes out and explains what the New Deal and fair Deal really are--when he stands up like a man and puts the issues before the people--then Democrats can win, even in places where they have never won before. It has been proven time and again.


We are getting a lot of suggestions to the effect that we ought to water down our platform and abandon parts of our program. These, my friends, are Trojan horse suggestions. I have been in politics for over 30 years, and I know what I am talking about, and I believe I know something about the business. One thing I am sure of: never, never throw away a winning program. This is so elementary that I suspect the people handing out this advice are not really well-wishers of the Democratic Party.

More than that, I don't believe they have the best interests of the American people at heart. There is something more important involved in our program than simply the success of a political party.


The rights and the welfare of millions of Americans are involved in the pledges made in the Democratic platform of 1948 and in the program of this administration. And those rights and interests must not be betrayed.


Take the problem of offshore oil, for example. The minerals that lie under the sea off the coasts of this country belong to the Federal Government--that is, to all the people of this country. The ownership has been affirmed and reaffirmed in the Supreme Court of the United States. Those rights may be worth as much as somewhere between $40 billion and $100 billion.

If we back down on our determination to hold these rights for all the people, we will act to rob them of this great national asset. That is just what the oil lobby wants. They want us to turn the vast treasure over to a handful of States, where the powerful private oil interests hope to exploit it to suit themselves.

Talk about corruption. Talk about stealing from the people. That would be robbery in broad daylight--on a colossal scale. It would make Teapot Dome look like small change.

I got a letter from a fellow in Texas today, who is a friend of mine, and he was weeping over what the schoolchildren of Texas were going to lose if Texas didn't get its oil lands 9 miles out from the shore. And I composed a letter to him, and then didn't send it. I said what about the schoolchildren in Missouri and Colorado, and North Dakota and Minnesota, and Tennessee and Kentucky and Illinois, do they have any interest in this at all? Evidently not, it should all go to Texas. Well, it isn't going there, if I can help it.

I can see how the Members of Congress from Texas and California and Louisiana might like to have all the offshore oil for their States. But I certainly can't understand how Members of Congress from the other 45 States can vote to give away the interest the people of their own States have in this tremendous asset. It's just over my head and beyond me how any interior Senator or Congressman could vote to give that asset away. I am still puzzled about it. As far as I am concerned, I intend to stand up and fight to protect the people's interests in this matter.

There's another matter I don't intend to back down on. That is our party's pledge to develop the vast natural power resources of this country for the benefit of all the people, and make sure that the power produced by public funds is transmitted to the consumer without a private rake-off. How could we back down on a pledge like that? When we look around us at the great good that has been done by the TVA and the Grand Coulee and the Southwest Power Administration--when we see what projects like these have done to improve the lives and increase the prosperity of our people-how could we possibly justify weakening our policy? We just can't do it.

I don't care how much money the power lobby puts into this campaign against us. I don't care what lies and smears they put out. There is a principle here which goes to the welfare of the country. And we are going to stick to it. We are going to win on it.

There is another thing we must stand firm on. That is our pledge on the issue of civil rights. No citizen of this great country ought to be discriminated against because of his race, religion, or national origin. That is the essence of the American ideal and the American Constitution. I made that statement verbatim in the speech on March 29th, in which I said I would not run for President, and I hope that speech, and this, will be the fundamental basis of the platform of the Democratic Party in Chicago.

We have made good progress on civil rights since 1948, in the Federal Government, in the Armed forces, and in the States. But we still need the legislation which I recommended to the Congress over 4 years ago. We must go ahead to secure for all our citizens--east, west, north, and south--the right of equal opportunity in our economic and political life, and the right to equal protection under the law. That is real, true, 100 percent Americanism.

This is very important to us abroad as well as at home. The vision of equal rights is the greatest inspiration of human beings throughout the world. There is one member of this ADA who can tell us from her own experience how important it is for the world to know that we share this vision. She has been our spokesman on this subject in the councils of the United Nations and she has done a wonderful job--and that is Mrs. Roosevelt.

Another part of our fight that is extremely important--that is, to protect the civil liberties of Americans. Your national chairman, Francis Biddle, has pointed out the terrible dangers that lie in wait for us if we surrender to the clamor of McCarthyism, and adopt the practice of guilt by accusation. We cannot, we will not, give up nor weaken on this issue either.

I got a great kick the other day out of a headline, or article, on the left-hand side of the paper, in which it said that a committee in the Congress was going to investigate the Justice Department for browbeating witnesses. Now, I am not casting any reflections on any good Senator or Representative, but they had better investigate themselves on that.

These are some of the principles for which the Democratic Party stands, and for which the ADA stands. We stand for better education, better health, greater opportunities for all. We stand for fair play and decency, for freedom of speech and freedom of the press, and the cherished principle that a man is innocent until he is proved guilty.

Taken together, these principles are the articles of the liberal faith. I am sure that the liberal faith is the political faith of the great majority of Americans. It sometimes happens that circumstances of time and place combine to deny its expression. But the faith is there, and the reactionaries can never hope to have any but temporary advantage in this country.

That is why the fair Deal program will not be weakened by compromise. That is why the Democratic Party will nominate a liberal for President.

That is why, this time, as in 1948, the ADA will throw its energies into the campaign battle--and will carry on the good fight against reaction, fear, and selfishness.


And that is why, this time, as in 1948, we'll win. (end of speech).




Alas, the brilliant, but uncharismatic, Adlai Stevenson lost in 1952 to World War II hero Eisenhower, but anyone would have lost to a World War II victorious five-star general in 1952.

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I started doing that when I became mmonk Nov 2014 #1
Progressive populism is the way. L0oniX Nov 2014 #2
Kinda OT, but Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #151
haha, I've also done that more times than I care to admit. nt laundry_queen Nov 2014 #153
Especially with ant season now upon us and real ants also on my screen at times... cascadiance Nov 2014 #205
Just the opposite here Mnpaul Nov 2014 #215
K&R Scuba Nov 2014 #3
Indeed. Third Way is not the democratic way. n/t Oilwellian Nov 2014 #4
Their greatest "success" is always in giving us far-right Congresses... villager Nov 2014 #5
The new congress GummyBearz Nov 2014 #30
It's all Nader's fault Mnpaul Nov 2014 #218
Well don't you dare blame it on your sprawling choice of one-and-a-quarter political parties! villager Nov 2014 #230
Recommend. Zorra Nov 2014 #6
What is "third way"? n/t taught_me_patience Nov 2014 #7
Third Way is a socially liberal moderate republican think tank that claims to be Democratic. Zorra Nov 2014 #12
They are easy to spot too, just bring up OWS and watch their hatred flow. Rex Nov 2014 #40
Lol, I know, they really hate OWS even more than the Far Right. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #157
and liberals and progressive period! noiretextatique Nov 2014 #219
Yes, their disdain for liberals and for protesters who oppose Right Wing, Wall St. policies gives sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #225
yep!!! +1 wavesofeuphoria Nov 2014 #187
Indeed, or any whistleblower woo me with science Nov 2014 #191
Explained like you have, 3rd way sounds exactly like Libertarians. Never thought of it that way. Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #54
Actually, they are just the opposite Mnpaul Nov 2014 #217
Libertarians are authoritarians in sheeps clothing. Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #224
Exact opposite Mnpaul Nov 2014 #226
Libertarians only believe in liberty for the rich, for everyone else it's authoritarianism. Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #227
Spot on LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #56
Thank you. Third Way=Wall Street infiltration of the Democratic Party. woo me with science Nov 2014 #69
Socially liberal, once the liberal social issues are foregone conclusions, that is Scootaloo Nov 2014 #101
Socially liberal my ass, they aren't radical regressive is far as I'm willing to go. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #161
http://thirdway.org/ WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2014 #20
thanks. n/t taught_me_patience Nov 2014 #23
My pleasure. WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2014 #65
I probably should have put this reply under your post. woo me with science Nov 2014 #70
A nonsensical boogieman paranoid DUers a terrified of. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #77
Lol BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #79
Right... I'm the delusional one. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #89
And not paranoid, at all. nt msanthrope Nov 2014 #104
Totally. Rex Nov 2014 #90
LMFAO L0oniX Nov 2014 #111
They don't exist, is what you're saying?? Just want to understand your point. Simply calling sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #117
They exist. They just don't give a shit about DU. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #123
Good question 'why would a group of rich influence peddlers and bankers want to spend money sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #128
Those goal posts just keep moving and moving. Rex Nov 2014 #132
I know, and I thought DU was so powerful we were responsible for 'suppressing the vote'. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #136
Maybe because people are tired of seeing paranoid delusions... LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #139
No I think it is sheer desperation from Third Way apologists. Rex Nov 2014 #140
Right... it has to be "third way apologists". LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #141
Well like I said just 5 or 6 and they seem to not even know one thing about the Third Way Rex Nov 2014 #142
I've seen the evidence. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #144
How can you look at what you just wrote... LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #138
I miss Hannah Bell on threads like this. She could connect Bohemian Grove and the msanthrope Nov 2014 #143
Mm, 'the ramblings of a Paranoid Schizophrenic' and I am, according to you 'unhinged'. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #171
So fight them on their own terms treestar Nov 2014 #167
We are here, doing exactly as you propose. Apparently they don't like it very much. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #174
Turnout was low. What voters are you talking about? treestar Nov 2014 #176
I just explained to you what Progressives were doing. They voted around the country for ISSUES sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #192
Here in Oregon where we had HIGH 70% vote by mail turnout, Dems and progressives were heard! cascadiance Nov 2014 #206
Must be nice Art_from_Ark Nov 2014 #229
The website is of little concern, chemotherapy to remove them from control of the party is at issue. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #165
So you support the Third Way policies then? LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #129
Definition here: ReRe Nov 2014 #119
They used to be called "Republicans," before that brand was de-valued by televangelists, gun nuts, & Erose999 Nov 2014 #125
WHO Third Way is, is just as important as "what" third way is... Erose999 Nov 2014 #126
Anyone with any practical bone in their body treestar Nov 2014 #166
I say if we're going to lose whatchamacallit Nov 2014 #8
It will be interesting to see what Bernie Sanders does now... polichick Nov 2014 #9
Good question. Running as an independent mmonk Nov 2014 #11
Can't wait to hear his take on things. polichick Nov 2014 #14
Me, too. woo me with science Nov 2014 #24
How well or poorly did Hillary's slate do last night? (By 'slate,' I mean the ones she KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #16
Hillary campaigned for Hagan (NC). WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2014 #21
Bernie Sanders' decision about whether to run in the Dem primaries or run KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #22
I don't think she has a lock, but many do. WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2014 #147
It wouldn't have been impossible for Bernie and Elizabeth Warren to stump for Kay Hagan treestar Nov 2014 #177
Bill filled an 8,000 person Stadium Rally Hagan 3 days before Election KoKo Nov 2014 #110
I appreciate you going over the stats and look forward to seeing them posted. WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2014 #146
For Weekend Read. "How the Clintons' Candidaes Did (not well) KoKo Nov 2014 #148
Thanks. I've mostly been reading the N&O, WRAL, WaPo and the Baltimore Sun... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2014 #149
That article doesn't mention he was in Georgia and NC Friday KoKo Nov 2014 #152
Great post. Thank you. woo me with science Nov 2014 #216
And Alison Grimes :-( n/t ReRe Nov 2014 #120
She was all over Grimes in Kentucky JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #103
They've had it their way for 20 years and they've driven the party into the ground. pa28 Nov 2014 #10
Just as they were paid to do ... TBF Nov 2014 #41
+10000 Third Way=Wall Street infiltration of the Democratic Party woo me with science Nov 2014 #107
Correction: Time for them to SIT DOWN and SHUT UP! [n/t] Maedhros Nov 2014 #76
There is no consensus. kentuck Nov 2014 #13
K&R woo me with science Nov 2014 #15
Agree, they seem to have incredible influence on banning posts though... whereisjustice Nov 2014 #17
Maybe mass ignore is a good idea. Jamastiene Nov 2014 #27
I have placed on my ignore list every one of them that I can identify. Maedhros Nov 2014 #51
I started... sendero Nov 2014 #99
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Absolutely. Jamastiene Nov 2014 #26
+1000000000000 woo me with science Nov 2014 #35
They won't... SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #58
I've been waiting for apologies... ReRe Nov 2014 #122
+10000000000000 peacebird Nov 2014 #201
So when are you going to run, Brent? Or are you suggesting we should cancel elections... wyldwolf Nov 2014 #28
binary thinking is a hallmark of the conservative mind frylock Nov 2014 #60
Planning a revolution with no plan is the hallmark of a 'prooogresssiiiveee' mind wyldwolf Nov 2014 #61
My favorite story... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #63
yours is the only post here to bring up revolution.. frylock Nov 2014 #72
Right. I should have directly quoted the OP and said 'radical change.' LOL. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #73
wonderful GOTV effort you're putting forth here.. frylock Nov 2014 #74
I've not put forth anything. I've asked how the OP's radical change will be put forth. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #75
who told you the plan? frylock Nov 2014 #78
Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #81
"I've not put forth anything." No shit there. nt Union Scribe Nov 2014 #85
So much diversion from a simple question. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #93
I do believe we're being exhorted to ignore people like you. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2014 #150
So BrentSpeak is your fearless leader. The strong silent type. LOL. Good luck! wyldwolf Nov 2014 #158
So stopping a non Democratic, right wing Republian entity from controlling the party leadership AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #189
Ask the OP. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #190
We need more people like you talking to voters Union Scribe Nov 2014 #84
So much diversion from a simple question wyldwolf Nov 2014 #94
I love how so-called Democrats like you try to make Progressive LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #130
Either accept the status quo, run ourselves, or cancel elections MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #179
That's right find your Bernie Sanders army and run them wyldwolf Nov 2014 #180
So now you're proposing a fourth option? MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #181
DCCC Chair Isreal Stepping Down fredamae Nov 2014 #29
"Shills" is exactly right! Until yesterday, I thought 3rd Way and DLC Democrats were just hedgehog Nov 2014 #31
+1 We live in a propaganda state, woo me with science Nov 2014 #45
K&R n/t Feral Child Nov 2014 #32
I highly recommend the "Ignore" function Z_California Nov 2014 #33
Ignoring them is infinitely preferable to arguing with them. Maedhros Nov 2014 #52
+1 woo me with science Nov 2014 #83
And, honestly, just interacting with these people Maedhros Nov 2014 #86
Good gawd, yes. woo me with science Nov 2014 #88
I just laugh at em. L0oniX Nov 2014 #112
They are quite amusing Mnpaul Nov 2014 #220
The time for being "moderate" Aerows Nov 2014 #34
Exactly! arcane1 Nov 2014 #49
Bingo laundry_queen Nov 2014 #154
Thank you for this OP. Very thought provoking and well Autumn Nov 2014 #36
DU rec...nt SidDithers Nov 2014 #37
You rec'd this ??? That has to be a mistake. L0oniX Nov 2014 #113
No, it was no mistake. This thread is chockful of awesome. nt msanthrope Nov 2014 #145
That's fine and dandy, but terms like shill and toxic are meaningless. HuckleB Nov 2014 #38
I think in this case, "shill" is the operative noun rather than a pejorative - hedgehog Nov 2014 #46
That doesn't its valid against individuals. HuckleB Nov 2014 #66
Shill is a perfectly suitable and accurate word, as used in the OP: Zorra Nov 2014 #48
+1000000000 woo me with science Nov 2014 #59
It's a baseless ad hominem attack. HuckleB Nov 2014 #67
That's what they all say. Zorra Nov 2014 #71
Putting profit above principles and party nearly destroyed us this last election. Rex Nov 2014 #39
I'm not really calling out the Dem candidates as much brentspeak Nov 2014 #43
We need a focused, cohesive message next time that promotes growth Rex Nov 2014 #44
+1....Recommend KoKo Nov 2014 #114
kick woo me with science Nov 2014 #42
I would love to purge the party of those assclowns. AtomicKitten Nov 2014 #47
it was easy to spot them since they didn't change their talking points from the Bush era yurbud Nov 2014 #50
I've got most on ignore. nm rhett o rick Nov 2014 #53
Don't ignore a problem, deconstruct it. Cosmic Kitten Nov 2014 #55
Amen Brother. Phlem Nov 2014 #57
The Third Way people are Republican agents and should be tombstoned. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #62
Let me guess Andy823 Nov 2014 #68
+1 LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #80
That would be my best guess Bobbie Jo Nov 2014 #82
Interestingly, 3rd-Wayers are to be purged from the Democratic Party; but, ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #87
Some people confuse standing up for rights of privacy from the NSA as being "Randian"... cascadiance Nov 2014 #207
I've been on DU since 2004 and have over 4000 posts taught_me_patience Nov 2014 #121
I've been here since 2004 and I've known what the third-way was laundry_queen Nov 2014 #155
Republican agents would discourage Democrats treestar Nov 2014 #164
What they do is push their failed ideology at all times, attack and mock liberals, exploit TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #169
+1000000000 woo me with science Nov 2014 #185
The Third Way neither encourage or discourage AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #182
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Nov 2014 #64
I noticed that MissDeeds Nov 2014 #98
Stay classy, new comer. Bobbie Jo Nov 2014 #100
Break out the tin-foil everyone! LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #91
nice try, but no dice noiretextatique Nov 2014 #221
"with extreme prejudice" ucrdem Nov 2014 #92
They. Are. Infiltrators. Enthusiast Nov 2014 #95
Excellent post! MissDeeds Nov 2014 #96
k&r. n/t PowerToThePeople Nov 2014 #97
Kick nt NorthCarolina Nov 2014 #102
Well said brentspeak! MuseRider Nov 2014 #105
kick and rec nm Teamster Jeff Nov 2014 #106
An important reminder: woo me with science Nov 2014 #108
^^^THIS^^^ L0oniX Nov 2014 #115
Rats, that darn graphic again, all those nice investment bankers on Third Way Board of Trustees! Zorra Nov 2014 #124
I am sure the Third Way are very relieved woo me with science Nov 2014 #163
Were you saying this during the primaries? True Blue Door Nov 2014 #109
Ironially, this line of argument is most prominent right before the actual elections. JoePhilly Nov 2014 #116
Derp LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #131
IKR? laundry_queen Nov 2014 #156
They know, pretending otherwise allows the dissemination of lame talking points so they just lie. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #188
Relentlessly, there is no pause. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #170
kick woo me with science Nov 2014 #118
So what are you? Peacetrain Nov 2014 #127
Good question Bobbie Jo Nov 2014 #134
There is a definite push to oust people... Peacetrain Nov 2014 #135
me thinks the ones calling for purges will be the ones purged. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #160
Oh, that would be lovely Number23 Nov 2014 #183
That's generally how its gone...those that call for orthodoxy msanthrope Nov 2014 #186
Kickin' Faux pas Nov 2014 #133
Harry Truman thought similarly: merrily Nov 2014 #137
Frankly I'm shocked you posted the whole speech, seeing as he called "progressives" 'crackpots.' wyldwolf Nov 2014 #159
That is one hell of an analysis Number23 Nov 2014 #184
Boy, did you miss President Truman' point by many miles. merrily Nov 2014 #197
'Progressive" attempts at rewriting history to fit their narrative is sad. And funny. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #198
Whether it's Trumans' speech or my post to you, you clearly need work on reading for comprehension. merrily Nov 2014 #199
I guess we're lucky wyldwolf Nov 2014 #202
I knew you expected it to work from the top down treestar Nov 2014 #162
And Stop Triangulating daredtowork Nov 2014 #168
It's funny watching "DUers" support neoliberalism Rex Nov 2014 #172
You mean like the thinly veiled Randroids here? YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #173
Yes the Paulbots are sad too. Rex Nov 2014 #175
the third way has its supporters noiretextatique Nov 2014 #222
Jeez, DU has come a long way. MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #178
My opinion is that Democrats should stand up for democratic values. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #193
The president could help us there by not pushing for TPP to get passed or shut down Keystone... cascadiance Nov 2014 #208
I know I should ignore them, but I never ignored trolls either. Rex Nov 2014 #194
kick woo me with science Nov 2014 #195
kick Zorra Nov 2014 #196
Kick...nt SidDithers Nov 2014 #200
they only wanted to get a foot in. mstinamotorcity2 Nov 2014 #203
I think it would benefit us all if we just got rid of think tanks. Frustratedlady Nov 2014 #204
Here's another kick Autumn Nov 2014 #209
kick woo me with science Nov 2014 #210
probably believe in chemtrails also... ileus Nov 2014 #211
kick woo me with science Nov 2014 #212
I love how this keeps getting kicked as a "counter" to all of the really wonderful, positive news Number23 Nov 2014 #213
in threads like this, a big portion of the replies are Limbaugh fan-like 'dittos.' wyldwolf Nov 2014 #232
Absolutely. But it's always fun to watch the "left" ditto heads in action. They're the ones LOVING Number23 Nov 2014 #234
122 recs nooooooooooooooooo! Rex Nov 2014 #214
Amen. polichick Nov 2014 #223
I'm ignoring you instead. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #228
Hear, hear. This deserves to stay on top woo me with science Nov 2014 #231
I wish I could Rec this again. Jamastiene Nov 2014 #233
kick Zorra Nov 2014 #235
Yep. Needs to stay on top. woo me with science Nov 2014 #236
^ Zorra Nov 2014 #237
kick woo me with science Nov 2014 #238
Third Way candidates included Alison Grimes, Mark Udall, and Kay Hagan. ucrdem Nov 2014 #239
^ Zorra Nov 2014 #240
... SidDithers Nov 2014 #241
kick woo me with science Nov 2014 #242
Good reminder for today. woo me with science Dec 2014 #243
This message was self-deleted by its author KoKo Dec 2014 #244
^ Zorra Jan 2015 #245
kick! sibelian Feb 2015 #246
Hillary is 3rd way, and it appears she is already NorthCarolina Apr 2015 #247
k n r cui bono May 2015 #248
Kicked! beltanefauve May 2015 #249
I'm gonna have to kick this Autumn May 2015 #250
Why? hrmjustin May 2015 #251
Why not? it was kicked yesterday and third way seems to be a topic of discussion today. Autumn May 2015 #252
oh i though it was just kicked. saw it in the latest page. hrmjustin May 2015 #253
I found it interesting that a discussion on the Autumn May 2015 #254
The third way boogeyman is going to get you! hrmjustin May 2015 #255
The third way boogeyman is going to get us all Autumn May 2015 #256
And who is that? hrmjustin May 2015 #257
There's information in the other thread but Skip layed it out in his post Autumn May 2015 #258
You too. hrmjustin May 2015 #259
Apparently, this one can be brought back up. merrily Nov 2015 #262
That's really something isn't it Autumn Nov 2015 #263
DURec. bvar22 May 2015 #260
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words May 2015 #261
Wow...a year ago and it was such wise words! SoapBox Nov 2015 #264
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