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Scootaloo

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67. The trouble we find is that voting doesn't elicit change, either

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 11:26 PM

Nov 2014

when the Democrats win, thy take it as a mandate to preserve the status quo. when they lose, they cower back and let the republicans set the agenda... which the Democrats will work to preserve if they get re-elected.

And when the youth shows up to actively seek change, what happens? well, they're told to shut the fuck up and save it for elections. elections that boomers will dominate by weight of numbers, forcing through their Republican and Republican't candidates by sheer volume. Then they smug and smirk over what "losers" progressives and liberals are. often while cheering on the cops they hired to beat and kill us when we protest and move.

The youth has no support. All we get when we try, is hate, derision, and violence - not just from the republicans, but from republican'ts as well.

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Open Letter to Democrats From a Disillusioned Young Voter [View all] eridani Nov 2014 OP

The money quote: Maedhros Nov 2014 #1

Don't Waste Vote On Hillary billhicks76 Nov 2014 #144

Hillary is essentially a Republican, Maedhros Nov 2014 #145

Hell Yes She Is billhicks76 Nov 2014 #149

Then don't vote? If that is the kind of maturity the new milinials have they deserve everything still_one Nov 2014 #2

I'm sorry, but you've got the wrong attitude. BillZBubb Nov 2014 #4

they aren't voting period. Forget about Democrats, they could have voted green or some other group still_one Nov 2014 #6

If there are that many, we should be listening. BillZBubb Nov 2014 #33

Still_One feels that they should be seen, and not heard Scootaloo Nov 2014 #46

They should be seen and heard by their votes. MH1 Nov 2014 #65

don't speak for me, only speak for yourself. That isn't what I said, but go ahead and distort still_one Nov 2014 #89

You speak for yourself loud and clear Scootaloo Nov 2014 #90

you are really full it, and yourself. You say I spread hate, maybe you need to get a grip on still_one Nov 2014 #91

Scootaloo is correct - TBF Nov 2014 #98

Me too. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2014 #109

I read you the same way Scootaloo did. Fawke Em Nov 2014 #121

Perhaps you all have a comprehension problem. I will translate for you. I said if they don't like still_one Nov 2014 #125

Voting for an empty brand serves no purpose either whatchamacallit Nov 2014 #127

In most races.. sendero Nov 2014 #142

Thanks for giving an example of "old codgerism." Fawke Em Nov 2014 #147

Listen to what? Spazito Nov 2014 #48

Impressive.. SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #55

If you want it, you have to work for it, you, yourself instead of waiting for someone else... Spazito Nov 2014 #59

You talk about personal responsibility SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #62

I do expect adults to figure it out... Spazito Nov 2014 #63

What candidates campaigned on student loans, Spazito? Scootaloo Nov 2014 #72

So you think not voting will address the issue of student loans? Spazito Nov 2014 #77

I asked what candidates ran on the issue. Scootaloo Nov 2014 #94

Nice try... Spazito Nov 2014 #108

Why vote if you think you're being give one side or the other Fawke Em Nov 2014 #122

I understood what the poster was saying, I just don't accept the excuses... Spazito Nov 2014 #126

You are not an average person. You are obviously above average in SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #76

At the age we are talking about, between 20 and 30, I knew little about politics... Spazito Nov 2014 #80

The trouble we find is that voting doesn't elicit change, either Scootaloo Nov 2014 #67

There was change, some just refuse to see it because it wasn't EVERYTHING they... Spazito Nov 2014 #68

The youth that vote also have your disdain, as you make clear from your posts Scootaloo Nov 2014 #71

I respect anyone who votes including the 'youth' vote... Spazito Nov 2014 #88

No, I don't think Obamacare is good enough Scootaloo Nov 2014 #93

Truth be told those who don't vote don't matter because they made the conscious ... Spazito Nov 2014 #110

Totally disgusting workinclasszero Nov 2014 #61

Rush Holt, Zephyr Teachout and Donald Berwick were all advocating single-payer Chathamization Nov 2014 #103

They turned out in record numbers to vote for the guy that promised change. JoeyT Nov 2014 #83

They are whining, that is all they are doing... Spazito Nov 2014 #86

The person that is whining NobodyHere Nov 2014 #135

Nope, I didn't start an OP whining about poor me... Spazito Nov 2014 #136

Probably, but if they don't listen is not voting the answer, and if there is enough as you say the still_one Nov 2014 #52

They (or someone) voted to raise minimum wage and legalize marijuana... Blanks Nov 2014 #50

Actually, some left the part where you vote for someone to go to Washington BLANK.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #81

Exactly Vote Green then! treestar Nov 2014 #115

The WERE voting, back in 2008. So why are they not voting now?? sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #148

My view precisely. Berating and shaming customers doesnt make them want what you're selling more. canoeist52 Nov 2014 #15

"the democrats..."? ollie4 Nov 2014 #19

^^^ THIS ^^^ n/t susanwy Nov 2014 #139

Pretty much what my grandson 840high Nov 2014 #24

He. Opted, that is my point still_one Nov 2014 #26

your generation also had FDR and LBJ.. frylock Nov 2014 #7

On the money. pangaia Nov 2014 #22

fine.... ollie4 Nov 2014 #53

Yep.nt bravenak Nov 2014 #39

It's always someone else's fault for voters not voting. When does it become the fault Autumn Nov 2014 #17

"A vacuum is waiting to be filled " BillZBubb Nov 2014 #36

I grew up during that generation as well, and you're just romanticizing your memories Glitterati Nov 2014 #18

Here's the thing, in 1970, less than 60% of eligible citizens bothered to register to vote mountain grammy Nov 2014 #23

That's right; grow up. zanana1 Nov 2014 #25

I was in that bubble with you. Curmudgeoness Nov 2014 #34

at least had the opportunity to vote for mcgovern noiretextatique Nov 2014 #51

The Dems had no message while running from the president and his accomplishments think Nov 2014 #30

Tweet-sized still_one: Get off my lawn, you darned kids! nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #32

Well said. We need them badly and we need to win their votes. BillZBubb Nov 2014 #40

Should they get off our lawn too? Generic Brad Nov 2014 #58

Actually voter turnout in 2012 was only a half of one percent lower than in 1968. progressoid Nov 2014 #64

"We fought for labor, civil rights, and womens rights" JoeyT Nov 2014 #82

Not voting is a vote. If the Oligarchs give you two candidates that will either screw you, rhett o rick Nov 2014 #85

Silence=Consent nt Bohunk68 Nov 2014 #102

Don't disagree. You hit the dog enough times with a newpaper, he will soon "consent". rhett o rick Nov 2014 #120

A Party that doesn't listen to the voters, will lose. People can whine and blame and yell all sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #92

Thank you, sabrina 1. Enthusiast Nov 2014 #96

Your attitude Thespian2 Nov 2014 #99

The younger generation is very involved and informed. See OWS eg, and what did elected sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #107

Good post - gee it's always someone else's fault treestar Nov 2014 #113

maturity? Soylent Brice Nov 2014 #129

Many older people voted for Republicans malletgirl02 Nov 2014 #131

Yes...I'm sure they are the reason that the Rs won the mid-terms LeftInTX Nov 2014 #146

People don't vote because they know it doesn't matter the_sly_pig Nov 2014 #141

Well if you allow Republicans to win Egnever Nov 2014 #3

Wrong attitude. BillZBubb Nov 2014 #5

Well since obviously in some people's eyes there is no difference between republicans and Democrats still_one Nov 2014 #9

Democratic States have higher minimum wages, better marijuana laws, better access to reproductive Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #12

I'm with you tooeyeten Nov 2014 #45

True tooeyeten Nov 2014 #41

In Oregon we legalized cannabis and all of our Democrats won by large margins Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #8

Oregon also has vote-by-mail gratuitous Nov 2014 #13

So Does CO, w/o Marijuana Millenials No Vote otohara Nov 2014 #105

Oregon has the best voting system, ever RobertEarl Nov 2014 #14

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^n/t truedelphi Nov 2014 #57

Yep. You can do awesome things when you have a liberal population Recursion Nov 2014 #78

They will learn nothing. 99Forever Nov 2014 #10

[Republicans] "communicate that message in a confident way." Martin Eden Nov 2014 #11

Yes, I noticed that, too. Quite on the nose. Tone & style matter. Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #43

Well they will soon see or miss what they have.. Historic NY Nov 2014 #16

While he has a point, secondvariety Nov 2014 #20

Any person who sings in the shower, defacto7 Nov 2014 #21

You know BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #27

Either participate in the democratic process or STFU no excuse for not voting. None. YOHABLO Nov 2014 #28

The letter writer invokes Warren and student loans and says young people had nothing to vote for BeyondGeography Nov 2014 #29

I know.. and the Environment is NOTHING, too.. The rest of us have to carry that burden while they Cha Nov 2014 #35

Inhofe replaces Boxer as head of Environment and Public Works BeyondGeography Nov 2014 #44

Pesky details like Planet Earth.. the "youth who didn't vote" did Not even think of. Cha Nov 2014 #49

It sounds a little like whining to me. TiredOfNo Nov 2014 #31

I love you, TON! Thank you! Cha Nov 2014 #37

So their opinion is irrelevant but your vote was meaningless? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #42

I'm a young voter who voted in this election minivan2 Nov 2014 #38

The Democrats did not address student loan debt randr Nov 2014 #116

Tell your friends ----- cprise Nov 2014 #130

I always vote. bravenak Nov 2014 #47

Quid pro quo Plucketeer Nov 2014 #54

K & R !!! WillyT Nov 2014 #56

We Democrats didn't take anyone for granted... mtngirl47 Nov 2014 #60

I voted for the first time in 1976. kiva Nov 2014 #66

"Ask not what your country can do for you . . . ." ucrdem Nov 2014 #69

That's a pretty speech but the reality is that it was easy for the rich boy JFK to say something craigmatic Nov 2014 #73

JFK: �To those whom much is given, much is expected.� ucrdem Nov 2014 #74

Whatever happened to college sit-down strikes and marches? ErikJ Nov 2014 #70

The perception that they didn't really accomplish much Recursion Nov 2014 #79

Elizabeth Warren stumped for a lot of these people that millenials refused to vote for. DemocraticWing Nov 2014 #75

We can go around and around pointing fingers Kalidurga Nov 2014 #84

"Simply banking on being the lesser evil and having that be enough won�t cut it any longer." ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #87

With you all the way� but you better understand exactly what the Republicans want before you vote world wide wally Nov 2014 #95

Obama hit the nail on the head, but refuses to do anything but talk Android3.14 Nov 2014 #97

I kick and rec this not because I think people were smart to stay home and not vote Dem. stillwaiting Nov 2014 #100

IMO, this OP is light weight mum bo jumbo, describing the terrible political moves as admirable ladjf Nov 2014 #101

A Failure in Communication turbinetree Nov 2014 #104

Repeating "people should" and expecting results is magical thinking bread_and_roses Nov 2014 #106

OCCUPY turbinetree Nov 2014 #119

er ... not quite sure what you are going on about bread_and_roses Nov 2014 #128

K&R blackspade Nov 2014 #111

As usual, somebody else has to do it for them treestar Nov 2014 #112

Open response back to a Disillusioned Young Voter randr Nov 2014 #114

The author of that letter is the ideal voter for the Republicans.... dmosh42 Nov 2014 #117

I agree with MOSt of what you said fadedrose Nov 2014 #118

What a great idea, let's see where not voting gets us ... annominous Nov 2014 #123

welcome to our world, youngster! oldandhappy Nov 2014 #124

I'm kind of impressed this young voter Shiraz Nov 2014 #132

100,000 minority kids turn 18(voting age)every month! and republicans know it! jonjensen Nov 2014 #133

"Healthy families" - that is a NO-Brainer yet they didn't even think of it to defend the ACA. jillan Nov 2014 #134

Populism works. You can't have a middle class and eat it too. whereisjustice Nov 2014 #137

Youth is wasted on the Young susanwy Nov 2014 #138

Hear, hear! Little Star Nov 2014 #140

This bulletin board has been coopted and is no longer useful erronis Nov 2014 #143