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TheKentuckian

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23. We need to fight but what fight matters much more now, one for the future not trying to shine up
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 12:21 PM
Nov 2014

the last war in a vain effort to convince folks not to believe their lying eyes and that we came through when we didn't and spent the past 3 cycles saying either we didn't ourselves or trying to distance ourselves from what we clearly did while insisting that we will keep on keeping on the same course.

Nor can we effectively even run against the opposition because we cannot stop trying to nullify the differences during election seasons and "reaching out for bipartisanship" after it is over. The message is far to muddled and conflicting.

Maybe far fewer would think there is no difference if our idiotic pols would refrain from spending six, twelve, or eighteen months trying to tell anyone on Earth that there isn't one and worse when trusted with power governing to protect and expand the status quo the other fucks put into place.

What I think is we have shot ourselves in the privates about every which way we can and will continue to do so because we are as a whole risk adverse cowards so afraid of losing that we no longer seek to win nor even have any clear idea of what victory would be with a nonsense message and utterly irreconcilable aims, many of which are in real world application actually are either the same or close enough to the same as the opposition anyway.

You can't run on protecting Social Security when you are angling to cut it for 2/3 the population.

You can't run on ending two wars you are still in and will be in foreseeably.

You can't run on reining in Wall Street while giving them the store and covering their ass.

You can't run on protecting the environment while pushing fracking, pipelines, and expanding drilling.

You can't run on jobs when you are trying to outsource as many as possible and bringing in scabs when it isn't possible.

It is tough to run on universal health care when what you produce is a corporate mandate, a scheme to advance self denial, and a give away to the pharmaceutical industry.

You can't credibly run on wages when you are actually focused on actions that limit them and oversee an expansion of the wealth disparity and minimum wage only can get so much traction when all above it are being crushed save very cynically, essentially telling the people that the minimum is all most can expect so we better get it up.

Can't run on education by following the Duncan/Jeb Bush/Pat Robertson model.

Can't run on responsive and transparent government while protecting the Bush security apparatus and holding over his spooks.

So, now all we really have is abortion and overreach on gun control which is a net negative (folks want background checks not gun control which are not the same thing) but let's say I misread that, it is still all we affirmatively have really and not impacful to consistently move the needle.

Then we have candidates and leaders who not very subtly tell anyone who will listen that our values and aims are fucked up and shameful because they cannot put enough distance between themselves and them, all too often echoing the opposition making the net message as the Republicans are mostly correct so in all reality why should anyone bother voting for us? They can get the real deal or not even bother and come out largely the same. That isn't the voter's fault but ours, they are responding to our own words and deeds.

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I suspect Obama will take the place of Jimmy Carter as the anti-Reagan HereSince1628 Nov 2014 #1
Definitely. Plus they will run against the President in 2016 yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #19
If (big if IMHO) there is continuing growth in the economy... Wounded Bear Nov 2014 #2
Maybe it's time to get ahead of the curve? kentuck Nov 2014 #6
As a corollary, anthing bad that happens between now and Nov. 2016 must be KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #7
Absolutely! kentuck Nov 2014 #9
Except the ONLY thing they know is TAX CUTS Bandit Nov 2014 #25
Yep. kentuck Nov 2014 #28
This economic recovery is shallow... meaculpa2011 Nov 2014 #11
Of course they will. TheCowsCameHome Nov 2014 #3
It worked this time around with the 55% of the 36.6% of the KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #5
They will link every Dem candidate to his/her support of Obama TheCowsCameHome Nov 2014 #8
I think you're right. kentuck Nov 2014 #10
Right, the tactic will 'work' with those already predisposed to dislike or vote against Dems. So KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #12
Unless, of course... kentuck Nov 2014 #14
My own personal feeling is that Republicans are going to run the country into KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #15
I think they are so into power.... kentuck Nov 2014 #17
Who said Republicans get to 'make' the next election anything? The best KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #4
Also, the President really pissed off the Latino vote before the election. kentuck Nov 2014 #13
Of course they will, there is no question and further it is too late to try to rally to defend or TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #16
You may be right but.... kentuck Nov 2014 #18
We need to fight but what fight matters much more now, one for the future not trying to shine up TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #23
But... kentuck Nov 2014 #29
I have agreed significantly to this point but now we can't really fight because we stand for nothing TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #31
In 2008 YarnAddict Nov 2014 #20
Hillary will be. Savannahmann Nov 2014 #21
He better or those often talked about "changing demographics" won't be worth a dry turd. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #24
Of course.... Historic NY Nov 2014 #22
Yes and they will tie Hllary to Obama liberal N proud Nov 2014 #26
Did we make 2008 about Bush? Proud Public Servant Nov 2014 #27
It's an obvious strategy... kentuck Nov 2014 #30
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