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myrna minx

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117. My advice is for the Democratic Party to quit negotiating from within the flawed right wing

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:38 AM

Nov 2014

framing. The left has tried and true reliable Keynesian economics that has a provable track record of growth, recovery and infrastructure building. The right wing has vodoo trickle down Leo Straussian and the Chicago School of Economics philosophies and neo-liberal world trade policies that have a disastrous track record with the proven gluttonous and unsustainable transfer of wealth from the poor and middle class to the ultra rich.

Currently the Democratic Party works within and inhabits the framing that the Right Wing economic polities leaving the Party always on the defensive of a flawed argument.

If the party would stop allowing the RW to define the arguments, we have a chance to make headway. Until then, we are arguing on flawed ground against the masters of debating from a deceitful dangerous premise.

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To all the right-wing anti-Purgies [View all] MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 OP

K&R +1,000 nt LiberalElite Nov 2014 #1

Couldn't Agree More billhicks76 Nov 2014 #17

hahahahaha DonCoquixote Nov 2014 #76

errata: "is" needs to be corrected to "isn't" in this context :) 2banon Nov 2014 #87

Are you saying it depends Deny and Shred Nov 2014 #125

LOL! I walked into that one! :) 2banon Nov 2014 #130

Whoops...Sorry Typo billhicks76 Nov 2014 #179

I was pretty sure that's what you meant! :) 2banon Nov 2014 #183

She Disgusts Me billhicks76 Nov 2014 #248

I'm with ya there. It's so weird that she's being shoved on us as our only hope. 2banon Nov 2014 #251

All Part Of A Predetermined Agenda Mapped Out For Years By The Neoconning Corporate Masters Of War billhicks76 Nov 2014 #252

I wonder occasionally if O and family were threatened when he took office. 2banon Nov 2014 #255

I don't like right wingers much. bravenak Nov 2014 #2

And they're out there RadicalGeek Nov 2014 #235

I like Sanders, Warren is cool too. bravenak Nov 2014 #247

Frank was funny RadicalGeek Nov 2014 #274

Nothing new here, same old same old Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #3

dear thirdway manny wyldwolf Nov 2014 #4

I think that you are mistaken as to who the OP is. Curmudgeoness Nov 2014 #6

up is down, black is white wyldwolf Nov 2014 #8

War is peace, freedom is slavery Curmudgeoness Nov 2014 #11

Yet, that doesn't change the fact he never offers a solution wyldwolf Nov 2014 #13

I don't know BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #15

I do. I read all his threads. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #18

I do BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #19

I wonder when he'll offer a solution. Most leaders either have to or people start considering them.. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #22

There's your big problem. Manny isn't a leader, he's never claimed to be a leader Autumn Nov 2014 #106

What's *your* solution? Feral Child Nov 2014 #164

Good luck, people have been asking that for days and not a one of them will answer Rex Nov 2014 #169

Yeppers Feral Child Nov 2014 #186

His solution, which he stated to me in another thread LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #188

he is not the only one noiretextatique Nov 2014 #203

Blatant, ain't he? Feral Child Nov 2014 #213

Lol, who said Manny was a leader of anything? I see him as someone who is LOOKING FOR LEADERSHIP sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #277

Indeed... chervilant Nov 2014 #175

"he never offers a solution" Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #37

He just did. Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #108

What's your solution, or do you like things the way they are? lob1 Nov 2014 #30

I'm not Manny but maybe I can help you with a solution. How about the A Simple Game Nov 2014 #32

that would actually work. Best plan I've heard. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #34

Makes you wonder why they never thought of it themselves doesn't it. n/t A Simple Game Nov 2014 #43

I'll say it again. It's actually pretty brilliant. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #48

Why can't it happen, they're already organized they just have to agree to vote as a block A Simple Game Nov 2014 #64

No, I mean the progressive electorate will never organize and go after that caucus wyldwolf Nov 2014 #66

Your replies to this thread are good examples of rabble-rousing. BeanMusical Nov 2014 #68

Yep Andy823 Nov 2014 #156

he's just stroking his ego.. and as you know, from our old encounters old pal, i'm far from a "Turd dionysus Nov 2014 #256

What is your solution, or do you think things are just fine the way the way they are? sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #261

How about getting "dark money" out of politics moonbeam23 Nov 2014 #20

Great idea! .... but how? wyldwolf Nov 2014 #24

wolf-pac.com Half-Century Man Nov 2014 #82

You've probably signed the petition... ReRe Nov 2014 #41

Define "solution" MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #33

You mean get an actual reply back, a real one? Rex Nov 2014 #46

Looks like it's not happening. MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #70

That's not fair! Maybe they found a new date on OKStupid??? grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #78

"OKStupid" MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #93

I noticed he changed avatars Dragonfli Nov 2014 #150

Maybe one day one of them will be brave enough to try and have a coherent discussion Rex Nov 2014 #81

In a nut shell, shut the #%^* up and vote for Hillary. Autumn Nov 2014 #107

No way in hell. If HRC gets the nomination I will not vote for her. peacebird Nov 2014 #114

Voting for the lesser of two evils has gotten me what I was voting against in the first place. CrispyQ Nov 2014 #131

The way I see it 2016 will more than likely be my last Presidential election Autumn Nov 2014 #158

But they are not authoritarian in nature! Oh no! Don't say that it pisses them off. Rex Nov 2014 #155

Yep, no not a bit. Autumn Nov 2014 #159

My advice is for the Democratic Party to quit negotiating from within the flawed right wing myrna minx Nov 2014 #117

The Big Tent was fine. The Too Big to Fail Tent librechik Nov 2014 #5

"Too Big To Fail Tent" MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #233

You know BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #7

Got it in one. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #10

"If your party is running low on useful idiots"..... Curmudgeoness Nov 2014 #14

Would be nice, wouldn't it? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #16

"party is running low on 'useful idiots', " damn, that's spot on. 2banon Nov 2014 #89

+1 I'm sharing popcorn too. L0oniX Nov 2014 #9

Kick and whole-heartedly recommended. nt silvershadow Nov 2014 #12

When Obama won in 2008, right wing DNC got to work purging liberals and destroying all the grass whereisjustice Nov 2014 #21

Dear DNC: We might contemplate going elsewhere. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #39

I'd give anything for socialist candidates TBF Nov 2014 #127

And you will always lose. randome Nov 2014 #128

A person of conscience can always sleep well at night BubbaFett Nov 2014 #136

But if you fail to envision the consequences of your vote, what good does it do? randome Nov 2014 #145

I understand the consequences just fine - TBF Nov 2014 #177

Advocating is never losing - TBF Nov 2014 #176

That's what the Whigs said, too. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #198

The DNC really doesn't care if the Left likes them. They work for the Ruling Oligarchs. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #58

H. Clinton-Sachs moonbeam23 Nov 2014 #72

Not only Sachs or the Carlyle Group but the Rothschilds too! 2banon Nov 2014 #90

Woo! Bill & Hill's cup of tea! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Divernan Nov 2014 #135

Indeed. A virtual Conspiracy Fact. 2banon Nov 2014 #137

Great reply! Spot On! moonbeam23 Nov 2014 #71

+1 Scuba Nov 2014 #115

K&R for pissing off all the right people! Rex Nov 2014 #23

BIG K&R n/t Duval Nov 2014 #25

Huge Fucking K&R! Phlem Nov 2014 #26

kick rec Teamster Jeff Nov 2014 #27

I just wish there were a way that I could rec this 100 times RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #28

Third way politicians have a choice to make. pa28 Nov 2014 #29

Well said, the essence of the issue. appalachiablue Nov 2014 #45

K&R. lob1 Nov 2014 #31

We need to be clearly identified as the Labour Party libodem Nov 2014 #35

Those of us who feel as you do will have to rip the power out of their cold hands n2doc Nov 2014 #36

Perhaps there is a "third way" zeemike Nov 2014 #55

Huh? Off years are historically lower turnout. joshcryer Nov 2014 #38

You make as much sense as Occupy Wall Street. randome Nov 2014 #40

They were so unthreatening to the status quo MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #42

They didn't threaten shit. randome Nov 2014 #47

"What would I know about wanting to change the system?" Rex Nov 2014 #51

Man, did you just step in it. Are you six years old? randome Nov 2014 #110

You rousted a homeless woman and she drove off. MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #119

I tried to help someone who was in trouble. randome Nov 2014 #120

A friend of a friend's car wouldn't start in a parking garage MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #134

How is it 'vicious' to see what's right in front of everyone's eyes? randome Nov 2014 #151

Sarah Palin was really nice to me at Walmart. bravenak Nov 2014 #171

What is that story supposed to prove? /nt Marr Nov 2014 #263

Come on, you cacklers. Let's go. randome Nov 2014 #112

Oh please, you waiting until 8am to act all tough. Rex Nov 2014 #138

Actually, 15 minutes. randome Nov 2014 #142

No you just pretend like you don't know about OWS helping anyone Rex Nov 2014 #144

Sorry, I don't do upset, much as you might like to imagine I do. randome Nov 2014 #147

No I can tell I was spot on there. Rex Nov 2014 #148

Your reaction means they must have threatened your security. The reason they got treated so rhett o rick Nov 2014 #62

"don't want the system to change" + a fucking galaxy of +'s L0oniX Nov 2014 #63

Plus a brazillion! Enthusiast Nov 2014 #98

Still waiting for one of the cacklers to tell me again that I don't want the system to change. randome Nov 2014 #116

Thank you for doing the right thing and having the nurses call 911 for someone who needed help, but myrna minx Nov 2014 #121

The point I'm making is that I cared enough to take a second look at that car. randome Nov 2014 #126

OWS has saved thousands of families, but your inability to read about it Rex Nov 2014 #141

Yes, OWS did some good for thousands of people. randome Nov 2014 #143

LOL. Again you berate it every chance you get. Rex Nov 2014 #146

Good gravy. With all due respect, you've been railing on OWS since the beginning - myrna minx Nov 2014 #172

Some here clearly do not want the system to change. They espouse hatred toward all that rhett o rick Nov 2014 #149

I've made my opinion of HRC clear many times. I don't like her. randome Nov 2014 #152

When people speak truth to power and get hammered for their efforts, they haven't failed. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #157

OWS deserves criticism -not disparagement- for not having a unified vision. randome Nov 2014 #160

The Oligarchs lead the cry for OWS leaders. Their snipers needed targets. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #167

Yeah no doubt they would berate Jesus for feeding all those freeloaders Rex Nov 2014 #153

Of course it did, I guess said poster thinks we are all dumb dumbs. Rex Nov 2014 #139

"effects real change", not "affects" MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #77

I blame home schooling. Rex Nov 2014 #154

The evidence is clear as day MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #163

Great response! Enthusiast Nov 2014 #49

My my, these people that suffer from OWSDS. Rex Nov 2014 #52

It's the Capitalist Cultural Hegemony at work. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #75

Why do you fear those that dare speak truth to power? Are you afraid they will upset rhett o rick Nov 2014 #54

+1 zeemike Nov 2014 #57

+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Nov 2014 #99

It speaks volumes that you use OWS as your example. Volumes. RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #56

+1! Excellent post. Enthusiast Nov 2014 #100

Very true! BeanMusical Nov 2014 #103

LOL, if OWS didn't do anything why was it brutally supressed? Odin2005 Nov 2014 #74

PLUS ONE, a huge bunch! Enthusiast Nov 2014 #101

Pitchforks work. See http://rollingjubilee.org grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #79

gmta...just posted about rolling jubilee noiretextatique Nov 2014 #207

You are consistent, I'll say that much. nt Union Scribe Nov 2014 #96

The first step is to ignore the obvious Anti-Economic Justice trolls. nt Zorra Nov 2014 #133

Yes BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #174

I imagine we often call those simple things which we are unable to understand "senseless" LanternWaste Nov 2014 #182

There's Third Way randome, right on cue LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #189

Occupy Wall Street activists buy $15m of Americans' personal debt noiretextatique Nov 2014 #206

Yeah but you see, that doesn't count funny thing Rex Nov 2014 #231

i am losing patience with the pragmatic adults noiretextatique Nov 2014 #260

Kicked and recommended! You nailed it, Manny! Enthusiast Nov 2014 #44

I'm ready for leftier candidates winning elections. aikoaiko Nov 2014 #50

Damn right Android3.14 Nov 2014 #53

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Nov 2014 #59

indeed, the usurpers are full of themselves stupidicus Nov 2014 #60

K&R ReRe Nov 2014 #61

+1 Will Marshall and his PPI was formerly known as the policy arm of the DLC. hedda_foil Nov 2014 #132

Oh Manny... Don't You Get It ??? WillyT Nov 2014 #65

Thanks for saying that GummyBearz Nov 2014 #67

The backlash cometh. 99Forever Nov 2014 #69

Fuckin' A Manny! n/t gilpo Nov 2014 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Nov 2014 #80

Watch this cross post Half-Century Man Nov 2014 #83

Interesting, I need to dig into it MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #84

I just watched it, too Manny� MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #85

The first step is admitting there is something wrong... MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #86

+1 B Calm Nov 2014 #109

This line takes the cake. BKH70041 Nov 2014 #88

It's not me that you need to worry about. MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #91

I won't worry about them, either. BKH70041 Nov 2014 #94

Just like they did last Tuesday. MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #124

They just don't get it Manny, people like us that are obsessed with politics Dragonfli Nov 2014 #162

Ooo that should be her campaign slogan! Union Scribe Nov 2014 #97

Yeah but according to a few scholars here Rex Nov 2014 #102

Nope. I will not vote for them. peacebird Nov 2014 #140

''The Right-Wing Anti-Purgies'' DeSwiss Nov 2014 #92

3. The workers are practically unable to improve their condition because these two companies, which jtuck004 Nov 2014 #95

Double, triple REC! Fuddnik Nov 2014 #104

well manny heaven05 Nov 2014 #105

So, what's the plan to get the big money out of politics? IronLionZion Nov 2014 #111

he's just got his parody shtick.. no reason to do anything else when you got that! dionysus Nov 2014 #257

+10000000000000000 peacebird Nov 2014 #113

K&R Scuba Nov 2014 #118

Manny, Manny, Manny, Manny........Well said sir. Hotler Nov 2014 #122

K&R MissDeeds Nov 2014 #123

Take back the taxpayers Money in wages. mstinamotorcity2 Nov 2014 #129

Huge K&R!! Kermitt Gribble Nov 2014 #161

These people are rather spineless cowards 47of74 Nov 2014 #165

REC Feral Child Nov 2014 #166

Oh no! 176 recs! Make it go away! Rex Nov 2014 #168

You're not trying to "purge" the party.... JohnnyRingo Nov 2014 #170

"loudly pro union" MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #173

Well said Egnever Nov 2014 #192

Yep Andy823 Nov 2014 #212

"I still remember third way manny and was quite surprised by the sudden tack to the hard left" LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #270

Well said. Andy823 Nov 2014 #209

191 recs! Nooooooooooo! Rex Nov 2014 #178

.... in favor of authoritarian purges. Nooooooo! wyldwolf Nov 2014 #180

200! Oh the humanity! Rex Nov 2014 #219

Stalinism is such an interesting topic, don't you agree? wyldwolf Nov 2014 #223

I think you have fun wasting other peoples time. Rex Nov 2014 #226

purging occurs when the purgers can't unseat the purgees in a legitimate way. 100% of the time wyldwolf Nov 2014 #230

201! Rex Nov 2014 #238

Stalinists? wyldwolf Nov 2014 #241

Barney? Rex Nov 2014 #243

I dunno LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #271

Authoritarians do purges. baldguy Nov 2014 #181

So if Ted Cruz switched to being a Democrat, MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #185

That's exactly what Warren did. baldguy Nov 2014 #190

Elizabeth Warren = Ted Cruz? MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #201

You just seem to have a double standard when it comes to Republicans. baldguy Nov 2014 #215

I think that Elizabeth Warren is not the same as Ted Cruz? MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #218

Wow, that is something special. Rex Nov 2014 #244

Everytime I think I've seen it all on DU MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #246

That is their latest goal post move AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #187

Authoritarians don't care what the majority says. baldguy Nov 2014 #191

You assume right wingers/Third Way� are the majority in the Democratic party? AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #193

And you're ASSUMING that every Democratic Party leader - up to and including the President - baldguy Nov 2014 #194

Your words AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #195

Democrats lose when Democrats don't vote. You don't want Democrats to vote. baldguy Nov 2014 #196

"If we don't keep halfpublicans in power in the Democratic party... AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #197

Trouble is your definition of Democrat bares no resemblance to what Democrats actually believe. baldguy Nov 2014 #199

I do not support right wingers AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #200

Ah, but you do. baldguy Nov 2014 #202

Mind reader are you now? AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #204

And again, most of the Democrats you describe as "third way" aren't & never have been. baldguy Nov 2014 #211

Good luck on your quest to keep Third Way� and halfpublicans in power AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #217

I won't wish you "good luck" in your own quest in purging good liberal Democrats from power. baldguy Nov 2014 #222

I have no problems with 'good liberal Democrats' AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #224

#199 baldguy Nov 2014 #239

i live in california, where you don't have to be to the right of nixon to win noiretextatique Nov 2014 #210

Please note that **I** don't believe that, the purgies do. baldguy Nov 2014 #214

well...he did say that about himself noiretextatique Nov 2014 #216

Actually Obama believes that AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #220

Of course, that's not what he said. baldguy Nov 2014 #225

The link I posted for you shows the interview section where he says it AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #265

"You hate any Democrat that can actually win an election" LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #272

Exactly Andy823 Nov 2014 #205

They are much like Teabaggers in that respect. baldguy Nov 2014 #208

The whole 'Purge' meme is projection AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #221

Only a 'progressive' would call for a purge then claim it's 'projection.' wyldwolf Nov 2014 #234

They're "progressives" like Republicans are "patriots". baldguy Nov 2014 #242

Ever heard the term, "Far left purist"? AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #266

Sure. But never heard once use the terms then say 'get out of the party.' wyldwolf Nov 2014 #267

Prove it. baldguy Nov 2014 #236

don't hold your breath. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #237

"Mind you, not phoney "liberals" who hate successful center-left Democrats like Obama" AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #264

So, you purgies pulled this desrtuctive, divisional lie of an accusation out of your ass baldguy Nov 2014 #268

"Real liberal Democrats" AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #275

All this fuss by 5 people over a group of libertarian investment bankers. Rex Nov 2014 #240

+1000 noiretextatique Nov 2014 #259

Re: FDR vs. Obama: read this YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #184

I've been posting similar things on DU for years wyldwolf Nov 2014 #227

My understanding is as follows: MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #228

Manny, you have a way with words! Lol! sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #229

Basically a keyboard-based version of Tourette's syndrome MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #232

Lol, is that what it is? sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #276

Please people! Stop rec'cing this thread! It is bothering 3 people that have worked really Rex Nov 2014 #245

LOL. MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #249

If one more person rec's this thread, it will be the end of the party. Uhuh uhuh. Rex Nov 2014 #250

Only 3? I think Manny must be slacking. Autumn Nov 2014 #253

It seems to have started that way but now it's whittled down to a few. Rex Nov 2014 #254

Lol! I heard from the Third Way deniers that they don't exist. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #258

Dude I man love you! davidpdx Nov 2014 #262

206 Recs. woo me with science Nov 2014 #269

K&R! nt raouldukelives Nov 2014 #273