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Le Taz Hot

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78. Lyndon Johnson didn't "give" us anything.

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:31 AM

Nov 2014

We fought for it and the only reason the Civil Rights Act passed was out of deference to the assassination of Kennedy. Yes, we were able to get Medicare passed because, guess what, there were LIBERAL Sin the Senate and in the House -- they hadn't been run out of town yet. That was to happen 30 years later. in 1965 there weren't massive amounts of "Democrats" with Wall Street money and lobbying for their issues just as much as the Republicans. There was actually a difference between the parties.

You guys can run all you want from the real issues, and you will because to you guys, this last election wasn't because the Democrats continue to abandon the middle-class and the poor, it was because of the lazy voters and ponies. You guys will never learn.

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Hillary is Third Way & a "Stinkbomb into Liberals" [View all] RiverLover Nov 2014 OP

Kickin' Faux pas Nov 2014 #1

Me too, Kick! Florida just went through the third way race, it was a disaster! TheNutcracker Nov 2014 #2

I like her and support her for president as does a majority of Democrats according to the polls. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #3

You need a new talking point. Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #13

You are calling me stupid? hrmjustin Nov 2014 #14

Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #128

You are calling me stupid? hrmjustin Nov 2014 #130

You can at least tell me why you think I am stupid. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #136

i'll take a democratic rancid turnip over harvard's g.w.bush anyday belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #16

ORRRRR Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #18

assuming the populist Democrat would win a general election belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #27

She absolutely would. Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #32

are u refering to elizabeth warren who is not running? belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #34

Yes, are you referring to Hillary Clinton Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #35

yes but i'd vote for either one. how effective do u think ew would be with this congress? belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #40

Was that English Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #47

yes it is belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #62

Because our current centrist president was so effective with this congress? Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #65

that's my ponit belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #67

I suppose you didn't hear about McTurtle's promise right after the President's LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #101

You clearly didn't understand my point. Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #118

We need a winner @ the polls n/t tooeyeten Nov 2014 #29

In 2006, how many people had heard of Barack Obama? Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #39

Leave poor Hillary alone, it won't be her fault when she loses to Ted Cruz or some other A Simple Game Nov 2014 #23

Yeah, Clintons have a long record of losing to Republicans DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #33

Funny I don't think Hillary even qualified for the race last time. A Simple Game Nov 2014 #42

Moving the goalposts early DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #57

Did I move the goalposts or did the American people move the goalposts? Time will tell. n/t A Simple Game Nov 2014 #73

Hillary Clinton has never won a seriously contested election. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #178

This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #185

So, we should recruit Lizzie W? leftofcool Nov 2014 #41

The Riight Wing would attack Jesus Christ himself Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #51

+100 NordicLeft Nov 2014 #163

Weak sauce. blackspade Nov 2014 #72

Might be best to do a bit more vetting. leftofcool Nov 2014 #116

Warren has never claimed sulphurdunn Nov 2014 #152

Name issues you think is stupid in the DLC. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #53

If you guys didn't learn your lesson Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #58

What is stupid in the DLC issues? Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #113

+10 (nt) reACTIONary Nov 2014 #158

Every Issue - You Name It - Every Single Issue Third Way is deeply rooted in Neo-Conservative ideas. 2banon Nov 2014 #70

Name one. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #114

Seriously? You want Blue Links too? 2banon Nov 2014 #117

I would like to know which issue you think is stupid, I am not sure many people knows Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #135

how about education reform? repetitive standardized testing, privatization, busting teachers unions yurbud Nov 2014 #186

Here you are Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #187

closing schools doesn't help anyone and in practice, DLCers actions on this are yurbud Nov 2014 #188

the rhetoric of accountability is used to "prove" public schools are failing and yurbud Nov 2014 #189

if Third Way/DLCers really believed in this model of education... yurbud Nov 2014 #190

Looks like you are not for better education, at least the DLC wants to improve education, Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #191

why not listen to educators instead of hedge fund managers and Wall Street scammers? yurbud Nov 2014 #192

Perhaps you do not know who you are addressing. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #194

who are you, Arne Duncan? yurbud Nov 2014 #195

Do you think the only way to improve public schools is make the rich richer? yurbud Nov 2014 #193

First the DLC is no more, they folded... hootinholler Nov 2014 #125

No, he doesn't. The truth doesn't need "a new talking point". nt stevenleser Nov 2014 #121

No there is no answer given. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #126

I do too. Rose Siding Nov 2014 #25

I guess I got to get used to the fact that supporting Hillary is not going to be popular here. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #49

Lyndon Johnson who gave us the civil rights act and Medicare would have been considered a third way still_one Nov 2014 #74

Lyndon Johnson didn't "give" us anything. Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #78

no surprise that would come from you, a rewrite of history that I lived through still_one Nov 2014 #95

I lived through it, too Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #98

and neither was John Kennedy who almost got us into WWIII, along with the bay of pigs still_one Nov 2014 #100

I've no idea what you are refering to when you say Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #104

bullshit. Are you aware of the missiles Kennedy was putting into Turkey? Have you ever heard of still_one Nov 2014 #106

You are simply wrong Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #107

Read the Pentagon Papers. It was very superficial what Eisenhower did, Kennedy pushed that policy still_one Nov 2014 #109

Never said he was the Messiah, I lost friends in Nam because of that bullshit, but to deny what he still_one Nov 2014 #102

You pointed to the Civil Rights Act Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #105

No one is solely responsible for anything, and I never said that you thought still_one Nov 2014 #129

something about our political party heaven05 Nov 2014 #52

For now. blackspade Nov 2014 #68

Yep, they keep running into that problem and have no answer for it, do they? nt stevenleser Nov 2014 #122

So do I...she has lots of flaws... joeybee12 Nov 2014 #142

And to the point of name calling to her supporters here now. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #144

They don't seem to realize this place doesn't represent most Dems... joeybee12 Nov 2014 #145

Good point. i eould like to see her move left as well on some things. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #146

Hilary's no fool, she knows which way the wind is blowing... joeybee12 Nov 2014 #147

And not defending the president turned off a lot of democrats. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #148

She was left of Obama in 2008. joshcryer Nov 2014 #164

Sure if you exclude her IWR vote and AtomicKitten Nov 2014 #166

Like her, support her too (nt) reACTIONary Nov 2014 #154

. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #155

Then you must be happy with what's happening to our country. She isn't a friend of the 99% rhett o rick Nov 2014 #161

I made my choice. i think she is the best qualified and most electable. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #172

The majority of Democrats do not support her. What is left of the Dem Party that is. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #162

. stonecutter357 Nov 2014 #167

How do you know that a majority does not support her? hrmjustin Nov 2014 #169

Well, one way is that when she is up against someone like Warren, she loses sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #173

Is this scientific polling that Warren beats Hillary head to head? which poll is this you are citing hrmjustin Nov 2014 #174

Has there ever been a poll where Hillary isn't the only Dem candidate? Has there ever sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #175

These are the latest polls on RCP. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #176

Well, first of all I don't see any Progressive candidates who are even likely to run against her. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #177

Well once the primary begins the numbers will change. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #179

How sad if what you say is true, that we have only,, very flawed candidate in our party sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #182

I think after 2 terms of a Democratic President it will be hard to get a fifth. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #184

She voted for the Iraq War too. Broward Nov 2014 #4

& she's pro-fracking, pro-GMO, pro-offshore drilling, pro Wall Street,... RiverLover Nov 2014 #6

Bingo! She's a war hawk, wall street loving, fracking supporter. All that is NOT what we need. peacebird Nov 2014 #20

Thank God for that, at least she supports Legalequilibrium78 Nov 2014 #24

And Bill's parting gift to us was repealing the Glass�Steagall Act RiverLover Nov 2014 #28

and he also gave us Justice Ginsberg. Yup, let's all have tunnel vision still_one Nov 2014 #96

When you have to start a post with "at least she supports" you have already lost. A Simple Game Nov 2014 #48

Here, is the link, go for it still_one Nov 2014 #97

Thanks for the link, I scrolled down and the foreign policy one was enough for me. A Simple Game Nov 2014 #111

I have not lost and neither has Legalequilibrium78 Nov 2014 #108

And when you have to tell people you haven't lost... n/t A Simple Game Nov 2014 #112

Were you not the one who declared that I lost Legalequilibrium78 Nov 2014 #160

No she doesn't. See her support for job killing "free trade" deals and H1B visas. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #180

and don't forget The Family! nt MisterP Nov 2014 #133

why doesn't salon understand what a think tank is and 'debate' their suggestions directly? Sunlei Nov 2014 #5

Thanks, interesting link (nt) reACTIONary Nov 2014 #159

I thought we all knew the third way was real. zeemike Nov 2014 #7

On the contrary RiverLover Nov 2014 #8

I had no idea I was a fucking crackpot. zeemike Nov 2014 #80

This guy doesn't like Democrats winning national elections. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #9

Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #10

Morally unmoored Centrism is almost the least despicable thing about Hillary Clinton. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #11

We HAVE to recruit Elizabeth Warren. Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #12

polls show her ahead of everyone that is predicted to run belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #17

By "her" I'm assuming you mean Hillary? Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #19

i read your opinion in 13. belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #36

Yeah, polls said that before also. The inevitability meme - didn't work out so well then, did it? peacebird Nov 2014 #22

so we dont believe any polls now belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #30

LOL! Nice. I don't believe any poll taken two years out can predict a presidential race. peacebird Nov 2014 #45

You ride that poll... 99Forever Nov 2014 #26

doesnt make u much of a dem if the dems put up a candidate and you hand your vote to the cons belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #37

Doesn't make you much into REALITY if you think Hillary Goldman Sachs Clinton... 99Forever Nov 2014 #43

Bingo! peacebird Nov 2014 #46

what i think doesnt matter belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #61

The first correct thing you have said. n/t 99Forever Nov 2014 #69

that is just so hillarious and clever belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #81

You should have quit there. Now you are just gone. Bye bye. 99Forever Nov 2014 #84

well if you cant handle the heat run away belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #86

I handle heat just fine, it's stupid bullshit I don't need. 99Forever Nov 2014 #89

then i dont understand why you would start slinging it " The first correct thing you have said. " belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #110

Hillary is already lifting ideas from Warren's speeches madville Nov 2014 #38

Yeah, and no one with two brain cells to rub together Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #44

We need someone LIKE Warren. But we need Warren in the Senate, doing exactly what she's doing. 2banon Nov 2014 #79

I'm good with Bernie. Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #82

Re: Dean's 2004 campaign vs now 2banon Nov 2014 #88

I advocate for extendig the 50-state strategy. Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #91

Yeah right. Hillary can win. No way EW can win. No way. n/t beaglelover Nov 2014 #119

Keep in mind that Sen Warren is a Christian, for whom faith is important FrodosPet Nov 2014 #171

This is politics not rearing your child, there should never be any unconditional support. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #181

+1, no more neo-con/neo-lib bullshit for the Democratic Party whereisjustice Nov 2014 #15

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Nov 2014 #21

Not Surprising! raindaddy Nov 2014 #63

But you get a free Grand Bargain! hatrack Nov 2014 #75

That is such an astonishing little clip Oilwellian Nov 2014 #170

And yet as an alternative, many offer a candidate who was part of the Republican Party for 20-25 Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #31

She's truly Progressive now & we NEED that, now. In her words~ RiverLover Nov 2014 #56

I seem to remember after the 2008 primaries... NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #50

The media telling us she is our nominee doesn't make her the nominee RiverLover Nov 2014 #59

Absolutely... NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #64

Ah. Thx for clarifying....I'll be in trouble if she's on the ticket RiverLover Nov 2014 #85

K&R Scuba Nov 2014 #54

Yep, as an Arkansan, her and Bill were just high priced corporate attorneys. LiberalArkie Nov 2014 #55

'''I think her concerns about women and children now extends mostly to photo ops.'''BOOM LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #60

The DLC and its subsequent incarnations... blackspade Nov 2014 #66

What does that sentence about the stink bomb mean? treestar Nov 2014 #71

That she is an anathema to many liberals, so they will not support her. peacebird Nov 2014 #77

The polls completely discredit that and by a huge margin. It's not even close. nt stevenleser Nov 2014 #124

We will get whomever the... SHRED Nov 2014 #76

What do you think of those of us here and Democrats that support Hillary? hrmjustin Nov 2014 #83

Third Way = Neo-Conservative ideas/policies. period. 2banon Nov 2014 #90

I do not support that philosophy. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #93

If you don't support that philosophy, Kermitt Gribble Nov 2014 #131

I support her because she will win. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #132

So it doesn't matter where she stands on the issues, only that she can win. Kermitt Gribble Nov 2014 #134

Did I say that? where did I say that. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #137

She didn't win in the last presidential election. PassingFair Nov 2014 #151

"The actual policies that she advocates are not going to change the material or social well-being of antigop Nov 2014 #87

Rep owned congress and senate was planned so that we will gladly vote for any Dem for the POTUS. L0oniX Nov 2014 #92

Hillary would not be my first choice but I do think she is our best bet to retain the WH.. DCBob Nov 2014 #94

wow, a pragmatic person still_one Nov 2014 #99

Speaking in terms of third Way 2015already Nov 2014 #103

Different economy, much different Clinton. The problem this time isn't lack of wealth and debt... marble falls Nov 2014 #115

Welcome to DU but " had not the republicans voted for Obama to prevent a Hillary win"? uppityperson Nov 2014 #120

Rush Limbaugh solicited Republicans to vote in AtomicKitten Nov 2014 #150

K&R +1,000 nt LiberalElite Nov 2014 #123

Liberals nothing. IMO, she's not a stink bomb only into liberals. merrily Nov 2014 #127

"Third way" goes back to grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #138

You have to understand, there is and agenda here to minimize any talk of the Third Way. Rex Nov 2014 #139

The Clintons never met a Republican they wouldn't "compromise" with. blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #140

If the Pukes are going to lose, they want to lose to Hillary. JEB Nov 2014 #141

True, it would be disastrous for them if someone like Warren or Sanders won. Rex Nov 2014 #143

HRC cannot and will not win the Presidency relayerbob Nov 2014 #149

THIRD-WAY FUCKERS WANT DEMOCRATS TO FAIL. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #153

+1 Veilex Nov 2014 #156

This. nt daredtowork Nov 2014 #157

K&R - No To HRC - No To DLC - No To Third Way cantbeserious Nov 2014 #165

K&R DeSwiss Nov 2014 #168

Yawn, another liberal bashing Hillary. Beacool Nov 2014 #183