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95. It just breaks my heart to see the drubbing President Obama is getting. Breaks my heart!
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 12:44 PM
Nov 2014

He doesn't deserve it!!! YES he's done all those great things and is getting NO credit for it. And what's even more disgraceful is those of us supposedly on his side who have abandoned him and deserted him and focused on all the nitpicky little so-called "bad" things. Or they call him some "goddam used-car salesman" as I have been personally horrified to hear here (and have never forgotten, thankyouverymuch). I find myself alone when I run into people who claim they voted for him and how he's disappointed them. I try to point out that he had enemies all around him who tried their best to destroy what he was trying to build, tried their best to chip away at what he'd proposed and turn it into something awful.

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph - I know someone who will JUST NOT LET GO of "Obamacare is gonna cost everybody more! Premiums gonna go up! And blah-blah-blah!" And I have to tell her - SHIT, IT'S A START forcryingoutloud! What would you like better? To take it away from everybody? NO affordable health care for ANYBODY BUT THE RICH? And then I put it to HER: they want YOU to die and get out of the way because you're on disability and they think you cost too much and they don't want to pay for you and they don't want to help you and they don't want their taxes raised to help you and cover what you need. AND those same people still LOUDLY call themselves "Christians"!!!!! Last time I did that, all I heard was silence on the phone. I'll call her Juliette - "Juliette, they think you're a drain on the system. You cost too much and they don't want to have to pay. They actually want you dead. They think you're a lazy moocher. They'd rather just let you die." Silence.

Then I asked her whether she saw the last round of republi-CON debates in 2012. I asked her if she saw the debate wherein I think it was John King who was the moderator and at one point in the questioning, he asked rhetorically - "well, what should we do? Just let 'em die?" And the goons in the audience shouted "YEAH!!!!!!!" I asked her about that. No, she hadn't seen those debates. I piled on. So you didn't see the one where they cheered like Romans at the Colisseum watching the Christians get mauled by starving lions when Governor Oops proudly bragged about how many people he'd executed. So you didn't see the debate wherein there was a soldier from a LIVE THEATER OF WAR, IN IRAQ, who'd asked a question via Skype or some such, about gays in the military and also identified himself as being gay, AND HE WAS BOOED!!!!!!! That fucking nogoodnik audience BOOED him! A soldier IN IRAQ, in active wartime, his life in danger, his ass on the line in harm's way, supposedly fighting for "their" freedom back home, and they had the gall to BOO him!!!!! Nope, she hadn't seen that one either. Silence. Really noticeable silence.

Then I piled on further. THAT is what YOU are voting for when YOU vote republi-CON. THOSE people. Who hate you and want you dead because you're a lazy moocher and you're a drain on the system and on their tax bill. And you still side with them??????????????

I piled on even further. And they're the ones who'd take away YOUR right to vote, too. Because A) you're female, and B) you're on disability so you're a lazy moocher and they assume you'd be voting against them, so that's what they do now. They try to head you off at the pass and stop you from voting. THAT'S what your precious republi-CONS are doing now. DO YOU SEE DEMOCRATS BEHIND ANY EFFORT TO SUPPRESS THE VOTE? DO YOU? PLEASE TELL ME. TELL ME WHO THE DEMOCRATS ARE WHO ARE TAKING PEOPLE'S RIGHT TO VOTE AWAY. TELL ME WHO THEY ARE!!!!!!! Silence.

And eventually she got back to pissing and moaning about how Obamacare is terrible et al. Surprisingly, she doesn't have Pox Noise on her cable system anymore - she couldn't pay for an expensive cable subscription so she has minimal choices now. But it also means she can't see any truth-telling on MSNBC or anywhere else, either. Her parents were CONs. So that's what she grew up with. So my fear is, she may not be reachable. She may NOT be redeemable. When presented with facts she can't dispute, she STILL goes back to the default position.

It's amazing to me - when I try to shake them awake, some of these people. When I pile on with facts and witnessing and reality-check after reality-check, they're still so inculcated with poison that they just won't let it in. They won't have comebacks a lot of the time. I point out to my best friend who's gone over to the Dark Side that - FOR GOD'S SAKE, EMILY! (I'll call her Emily) YOU'RE A UNION MEMBER FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!! WHY DO YOU VOTE republi-CON???????? They're not gonna help YOU!

We've got a true SHITLOAD of work to do.

And frankly, some of US give up too goddamn easily.

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Its not illogical treestar Nov 2014 #1
Exactly right. Moreover, there is nothing illogical about Vattel Nov 2014 #78
Kind of like how their own kid can never get in trouble Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #101
Yes and the rest of the world has orderly, liberal, intellectually driven legislative bodies so they Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #2
Many countries do have liberal, intellectually driven systems. defacto7 Nov 2014 #61
Give me your list, I'll tell you stories. Seriously. Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #90
I have a few experiences myself actually... defacto7 Nov 2014 #107
Maybe not Scarsdale Nov 2014 #89
My Incumbent Senator was a Democrat malletgirl02 Nov 2014 #3
The worst Democrat Riverman100 Nov 2014 #9
Except Lincoln v. Douglas 1860 :) - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #17
Not necessarily... elzenmahn Nov 2014 #32
The majority party has a lot of say in the workings of Congress mountain grammy Nov 2014 #58
The cliche is just dumb treestar Nov 2014 #86
No, I don't believe it is dumb or has been debunked... elzenmahn Nov 2014 #111
How come Republicans don't vote for us treestar Nov 2014 #112
Why do you think Republicans don't pick the real Democrat? elzenmahn Nov 2014 #113
What about Joe Lieberman vs. Lincoln Chaffee? Odin2005 Nov 2014 #66
I remember observing Lieberman's election in 1988 from 3000 miles away... LeftishBrit Nov 2014 #84
that kind of thinking IS the problem... tomp Nov 2014 #82
Welcome to DU, Riverman100! calimary Nov 2014 #91
I think the idea is that people are mainly fed up with Republicans cprise Nov 2014 #43
I'd vote for Wakko Warner ahead of any Repug. Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #103
They are the Melvins we continually rehire to do home repairs after they wreck everything. kairos12 Nov 2014 #4
To quote Tip O'Neill, "All politics is local". NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #5
Absolutely... elzenmahn Nov 2014 #33
Yes, exactly. mountain grammy Nov 2014 #59
+1000 Repubs hate "top-down" goverment, so they built from the bottom up. Beartracks Nov 2014 #64
We have to rebuild our grassroots political army. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #68
However, Tip never used the internet as a means to communicate. Major Hogwash Nov 2014 #42
Teh intarwebz? I lol'd. Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #102
Thanks, you just proved my point. Major Hogwash Nov 2014 #108
Not any more. The GOP victories were largely staged at the national level. Mitch McConnell Hortensis Nov 2014 #98
My moderate Dem representative is LibDemAlways Nov 2014 #6
But but but... Rex Nov 2014 #7
Low approval of Congress benefits Republicans Martin Eden Nov 2014 #8
saving to read later. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2014 #18
This nails it right on the head... elzenmahn Nov 2014 #34
I remember reading this on Truthout a couple of years ago mountain grammy Nov 2014 #60
Rec Infinity! nt chowder66 Nov 2014 #10
I wonder if this is how the decline of the Roman Empire began ,factionalism and break up . geretogo Nov 2014 #11
Conjugating Verbs PeoViejo Nov 2014 #12
Amo amas amat amamus... Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #22
Unfortunately, the parallels are scary DFW Nov 2014 #45
That is actually pretty close to the truth. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #71
Who exactly in the world thinks we are "batshit crazy" or laughs at us? former9thward Nov 2014 #13
I have only been to 31 countries, but have heard it for decades DFW Nov 2014 #16
Well both of our experiences are anecdotal. former9thward Nov 2014 #19
Good Point malletgirl02 Nov 2014 #28
Am I supposed to list the names, phone numbers and languages of people for you to check? DFW Nov 2014 #46
Those are all anecdotal. former9thward Nov 2014 #51
Anecdotal is a word that used to mean truedelphi Nov 2014 #56
Yes, why do we have so many would be immigrants then treestar Nov 2014 #87
"can WE have him when you're done?" - I had a Canadian ask me that today re: Obama Triana Nov 2014 #44
Tell your friend that Canada has to ... aggiesal Nov 2014 #67
+1 Triana Nov 2014 #72
It just breaks my heart to see the drubbing President Obama is getting. Breaks my heart! calimary Nov 2014 #95
Was it Richard Brunt that asked you? cherokeeprogressive Nov 2014 #99
Well, plenty of Canadians think we are batshit crazy. They think we're nuts Nay Nov 2014 #21
Add our gun laws/NRA to your list... ReRe Nov 2014 #29
Rob Ford. randome Nov 2014 #31
I'll see your Rob Ford and raise you... ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #41
Rob Ford is now just yet another city councilman, no longer mayor. His brother lost, too. nt Electric Monk Nov 2014 #70
You just can't fix stupid. lpbk2713 Nov 2014 #14
I think the picture sums everything perfectly. SoapBox Nov 2014 #25
Idiot, yes... elzenmahn Nov 2014 #35
That is still my favorite pic of that idiot. Lars39 Nov 2014 #75
... RKP5637 Nov 2014 #80
Conservatives found that incident endearing, just like this: freshwest Nov 2014 #100
Apparently you've never seen a session of Parliament. llmart Nov 2014 #15
Question time is always fun... ReRe Nov 2014 #30
I wouldn't exactly call most of our MPs 'witty' LeftishBrit Nov 2014 #77
I don't care what you say... ReRe Nov 2014 #85
Proportional voting based on an examination of issue awareness would solve this. Moostache Nov 2014 #20
people have a right not to vote Travis_0004 Nov 2014 #49
The Soviet Politburo had a higher turnover rate than the US Congress Recursion Nov 2014 #23
Can you prove that? ... aggiesal Nov 2014 #69
I heard it (somewhere) and did a count. It's true if you count the Stalin years Recursion Nov 2014 #81
Gerrymandering is not helping. EEO Nov 2014 #24
That is an understatement of epic proportions! Maineman Nov 2014 #93
My congresscritter is fine, it's everyone else's who sucks! Odin2005 Nov 2014 #26
Haha, that's just what I was gonna post! City Lights Nov 2014 #36
You snooze, you loose! Odin2005 Nov 2014 #38
LOL! City Lights Nov 2014 #40
True, and you don't need to say it sarcastically. thesquanderer Nov 2014 #74
My DINO rep Collin Peterson will literally NEVER be voted out of office. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #104
You should have included the cost malaise Nov 2014 #27
K and R bigwillq Nov 2014 #37
And how many days were they off this year? ReRe Nov 2014 #39
There's far more sinister forces at work keeping these clowns in office. Initech Nov 2014 #47
You are right malletgirl02 Nov 2014 #55
Cute but not very clever. progressoid Nov 2014 #48
The world is right. Iggo Nov 2014 #50
Gerrymandering and vote flipping and voter suppression works, apparently. nt valerief Nov 2014 #52
Yup, and any primary challenges tend to go for the tea party IronLionZion Nov 2014 #53
It was bought libodem Nov 2014 #54
I am a white 65yo woman. TNNurse Nov 2014 #57
A good ad campaign can sell anything. Remember pet rocks? That is why we need to Maineman Nov 2014 #94
north of your border we are shaking our heads riverbendviewgal Nov 2014 #62
Definition of insanity: blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #63
ummm...no! golfguru Nov 2014 #65
Like Andy Borowitz' theory about What Happened on Election night.. Cha Nov 2014 #73
Succinct ... 3catwoman3 Nov 2014 #109
Most of the 'rest of the world' has its own problems... LeftishBrit Nov 2014 #76
There is a simple explanation... sendero Nov 2014 #79
The world came to the conclusion that the American experiment in politics Amonester Nov 2014 #83
Then why more immigrants are waiting in line golfguru Nov 2014 #106
Yep!! mstinamotorcity2 Nov 2014 #88
*** L0oniX Nov 2014 #92
That's actually similar to many countries oberliner Nov 2014 #96
This needs to stay up awhile. johnnyreb Nov 2014 #97
Can't say that about Democrats, we didn't send our members back! Township75 Nov 2014 #105
isn't that the definition of crazy. n/t. okieinpain Nov 2014 #110
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