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JohnnyRingo

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170. You're not trying to "purge" the party....
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 04:18 PM
Nov 2014

You're trying to make a case for dividing and purging DU as usual. One barely has to read between the lines this time to see it.

You begin with a completely unfounded assumption that every democrat who lost an election did so because they weren't liberal enough. Working backward from that "fact", you call out everyone who doesn't subscribe to the Manny Goldberg Handbook For Democrats by calling them "right wing". Perhaps it would be helpful if you list every one of your ironclad tenets to which future democratic hopefuls have to adhere for the sake of fitting under your vision of the country's smallest political tent, so people like me will know when we're betraying our country.

My congressman, Ohio's 17th Tim Ryan (D-Niles) just won his seventh term (70%) Tuesday as a moderate Irish Catholic democrat. He's quietly pro 2nd amendment and loudly pro union. He may never wear a rainbow pin on the campaign trail, but I know for a fact he supports marriage equality. He has no logical reason to include it in his stump speech in this conservative working class district. On abortion, he vaguely refers to his Catholic faith as divine guidance, but has never spoken outwardly against it, let alone cast a single vote to restrict it (legal, safe, and rare).

I'll pass it on to him that he's on the Manny Goldberg purge list for replacement by a Dennis Kucinich clone. Maybe he'll hire you on next time as a campaign consultant, but I really doubt it. Still, your arrogant belief that you have your finger on the pulse of the American voter from coast to coast deserves credit just for it's incredible brazenness.

For the record, I'm considered by most as a liberal. I'm a union retired gun owning tolerant democrat who believes in sweeping social programs and a living wage, but if every candidate nationally vowed to fulfill my personal wish list of ideals, we'd have even fewer democrats in office. As Tip O'Neil once said: "All politics is local", and anyone who believes that one size fits all for the democratic party has chronic political myopia.

This past election resulted in more than a few losses for a myriad of reasons, and that can't be fixed by your bumper sticker solution.

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To all the right-wing anti-Purgies [View all] MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 OP
K&R +1,000 nt LiberalElite Nov 2014 #1
Couldn't Agree More billhicks76 Nov 2014 #17
hahahahaha DonCoquixote Nov 2014 #76
errata: "is" needs to be corrected to "isn't" in this context :) 2banon Nov 2014 #87
Are you saying it depends Deny and Shred Nov 2014 #125
LOL! I walked into that one! :) 2banon Nov 2014 #130
Whoops...Sorry Typo billhicks76 Nov 2014 #179
I was pretty sure that's what you meant! :) 2banon Nov 2014 #183
She Disgusts Me billhicks76 Nov 2014 #248
I'm with ya there. It's so weird that she's being shoved on us as our only hope. 2banon Nov 2014 #251
All Part Of A Predetermined Agenda Mapped Out For Years By The Neoconning Corporate Masters Of War billhicks76 Nov 2014 #252
I wonder occasionally if O and family were threatened when he took office. 2banon Nov 2014 #255
I don't like right wingers much. bravenak Nov 2014 #2
And they're out there RadicalGeek Nov 2014 #235
I like Sanders, Warren is cool too. bravenak Nov 2014 #247
Frank was funny RadicalGeek Nov 2014 #274
Nothing new here, same old same old Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #3
dear thirdway manny wyldwolf Nov 2014 #4
I think that you are mistaken as to who the OP is. Curmudgeoness Nov 2014 #6
up is down, black is white wyldwolf Nov 2014 #8
War is peace, freedom is slavery Curmudgeoness Nov 2014 #11
Yet, that doesn't change the fact he never offers a solution wyldwolf Nov 2014 #13
I don't know BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #15
I do. I read all his threads. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #18
I do BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #19
I wonder when he'll offer a solution. Most leaders either have to or people start considering them.. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #22
There's your big problem. Manny isn't a leader, he's never claimed to be a leader Autumn Nov 2014 #106
What's *your* solution? Feral Child Nov 2014 #164
Good luck, people have been asking that for days and not a one of them will answer Rex Nov 2014 #169
Yeppers Feral Child Nov 2014 #186
His solution, which he stated to me in another thread LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #188
he is not the only one noiretextatique Nov 2014 #203
Blatant, ain't he? Feral Child Nov 2014 #213
Lol, who said Manny was a leader of anything? I see him as someone who is LOOKING FOR LEADERSHIP sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #277
Indeed... chervilant Nov 2014 #175
"he never offers a solution" Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #37
He just did. Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #108
What's your solution, or do you like things the way they are? lob1 Nov 2014 #30
I'm not Manny but maybe I can help you with a solution. How about the A Simple Game Nov 2014 #32
that would actually work. Best plan I've heard. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #34
Makes you wonder why they never thought of it themselves doesn't it. n/t A Simple Game Nov 2014 #43
I'll say it again. It's actually pretty brilliant. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #48
Why can't it happen, they're already organized they just have to agree to vote as a block A Simple Game Nov 2014 #64
No, I mean the progressive electorate will never organize and go after that caucus wyldwolf Nov 2014 #66
Your replies to this thread are good examples of rabble-rousing. BeanMusical Nov 2014 #68
Yep Andy823 Nov 2014 #156
he's just stroking his ego.. and as you know, from our old encounters old pal, i'm far from a "Turd dionysus Nov 2014 #256
What is your solution, or do you think things are just fine the way the way they are? sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #261
How about getting "dark money" out of politics moonbeam23 Nov 2014 #20
Great idea! .... but how? wyldwolf Nov 2014 #24
wolf-pac.com Half-Century Man Nov 2014 #82
You've probably signed the petition... ReRe Nov 2014 #41
Define "solution" MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #33
You mean get an actual reply back, a real one? Rex Nov 2014 #46
Looks like it's not happening. MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #70
That's not fair! Maybe they found a new date on OKStupid??? grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #78
"OKStupid" MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #93
I noticed he changed avatars Dragonfli Nov 2014 #150
Maybe one day one of them will be brave enough to try and have a coherent discussion Rex Nov 2014 #81
In a nut shell, shut the #%^* up and vote for Hillary. Autumn Nov 2014 #107
No way in hell. If HRC gets the nomination I will not vote for her. peacebird Nov 2014 #114
Voting for the lesser of two evils has gotten me what I was voting against in the first place. CrispyQ Nov 2014 #131
The way I see it 2016 will more than likely be my last Presidential election Autumn Nov 2014 #158
But they are not authoritarian in nature! Oh no! Don't say that it pisses them off. Rex Nov 2014 #155
Yep, no not a bit. Autumn Nov 2014 #159
My advice is for the Democratic Party to quit negotiating from within the flawed right wing myrna minx Nov 2014 #117
The Big Tent was fine. The Too Big to Fail Tent librechik Nov 2014 #5
"Too Big To Fail Tent" MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #233
You know BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #7
Got it in one. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #10
"If your party is running low on useful idiots"..... Curmudgeoness Nov 2014 #14
Would be nice, wouldn't it? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #16
"party is running low on 'useful idiots', " damn, that's spot on. 2banon Nov 2014 #89
+1 I'm sharing popcorn too. L0oniX Nov 2014 #9
Kick and whole-heartedly recommended. nt silvershadow Nov 2014 #12
When Obama won in 2008, right wing DNC got to work purging liberals and destroying all the grass whereisjustice Nov 2014 #21
Dear DNC: We might contemplate going elsewhere. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #39
I'd give anything for socialist candidates TBF Nov 2014 #127
And you will always lose. randome Nov 2014 #128
A person of conscience can always sleep well at night BubbaFett Nov 2014 #136
But if you fail to envision the consequences of your vote, what good does it do? randome Nov 2014 #145
I understand the consequences just fine - TBF Nov 2014 #177
Advocating is never losing - TBF Nov 2014 #176
That's what the Whigs said, too. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #198
The DNC really doesn't care if the Left likes them. They work for the Ruling Oligarchs. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #58
H. Clinton-Sachs moonbeam23 Nov 2014 #72
Not only Sachs or the Carlyle Group but the Rothschilds too! 2banon Nov 2014 #90
Woo! Bill & Hill's cup of tea! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Divernan Nov 2014 #135
Indeed. A virtual Conspiracy Fact. 2banon Nov 2014 #137
Great reply! Spot On! moonbeam23 Nov 2014 #71
+1 Scuba Nov 2014 #115
K&R for pissing off all the right people! Rex Nov 2014 #23
BIG K&R n/t Duval Nov 2014 #25
Huge Fucking K&R! Phlem Nov 2014 #26
kick rec Teamster Jeff Nov 2014 #27
I just wish there were a way that I could rec this 100 times RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #28
Third way politicians have a choice to make. pa28 Nov 2014 #29
Well said, the essence of the issue. appalachiablue Nov 2014 #45
K&R. lob1 Nov 2014 #31
We need to be clearly identified as the Labour Party libodem Nov 2014 #35
Those of us who feel as you do will have to rip the power out of their cold hands n2doc Nov 2014 #36
Perhaps there is a "third way" zeemike Nov 2014 #55
Huh? Off years are historically lower turnout. joshcryer Nov 2014 #38
You make as much sense as Occupy Wall Street. randome Nov 2014 #40
They were so unthreatening to the status quo MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #42
They didn't threaten shit. randome Nov 2014 #47
"What would I know about wanting to change the system?" Rex Nov 2014 #51
Man, did you just step in it. Are you six years old? randome Nov 2014 #110
You rousted a homeless woman and she drove off. MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #119
I tried to help someone who was in trouble. randome Nov 2014 #120
A friend of a friend's car wouldn't start in a parking garage MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #134
How is it 'vicious' to see what's right in front of everyone's eyes? randome Nov 2014 #151
Sarah Palin was really nice to me at Walmart. bravenak Nov 2014 #171
What is that story supposed to prove? /nt Marr Nov 2014 #263
Come on, you cacklers. Let's go. randome Nov 2014 #112
Oh please, you waiting until 8am to act all tough. Rex Nov 2014 #138
Actually, 15 minutes. randome Nov 2014 #142
No you just pretend like you don't know about OWS helping anyone Rex Nov 2014 #144
Sorry, I don't do upset, much as you might like to imagine I do. randome Nov 2014 #147
No I can tell I was spot on there. Rex Nov 2014 #148
Your reaction means they must have threatened your security. The reason they got treated so rhett o rick Nov 2014 #62
"don't want the system to change" + a fucking galaxy of +'s L0oniX Nov 2014 #63
Plus a brazillion! Enthusiast Nov 2014 #98
Still waiting for one of the cacklers to tell me again that I don't want the system to change. randome Nov 2014 #116
Thank you for doing the right thing and having the nurses call 911 for someone who needed help, but myrna minx Nov 2014 #121
The point I'm making is that I cared enough to take a second look at that car. randome Nov 2014 #126
OWS has saved thousands of families, but your inability to read about it Rex Nov 2014 #141
Yes, OWS did some good for thousands of people. randome Nov 2014 #143
LOL. Again you berate it every chance you get. Rex Nov 2014 #146
Good gravy. With all due respect, you've been railing on OWS since the beginning - myrna minx Nov 2014 #172
Some here clearly do not want the system to change. They espouse hatred toward all that rhett o rick Nov 2014 #149
I've made my opinion of HRC clear many times. I don't like her. randome Nov 2014 #152
When people speak truth to power and get hammered for their efforts, they haven't failed. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #157
OWS deserves criticism -not disparagement- for not having a unified vision. randome Nov 2014 #160
The Oligarchs lead the cry for OWS leaders. Their snipers needed targets. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #167
Yeah no doubt they would berate Jesus for feeding all those freeloaders Rex Nov 2014 #153
Of course it did, I guess said poster thinks we are all dumb dumbs. Rex Nov 2014 #139
"effects real change", not "affects" MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #77
I blame home schooling. Rex Nov 2014 #154
The evidence is clear as day MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #163
Great response! Enthusiast Nov 2014 #49
My my, these people that suffer from OWSDS. Rex Nov 2014 #52
It's the Capitalist Cultural Hegemony at work. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #75
Why do you fear those that dare speak truth to power? Are you afraid they will upset rhett o rick Nov 2014 #54
+1 zeemike Nov 2014 #57
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Nov 2014 #99
It speaks volumes that you use OWS as your example. Volumes. RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #56
+1! Excellent post. Enthusiast Nov 2014 #100
Very true! BeanMusical Nov 2014 #103
LOL, if OWS didn't do anything why was it brutally supressed? Odin2005 Nov 2014 #74
PLUS ONE, a huge bunch! Enthusiast Nov 2014 #101
Pitchforks work. See http://rollingjubilee.org grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #79
gmta...just posted about rolling jubilee noiretextatique Nov 2014 #207
You are consistent, I'll say that much. nt Union Scribe Nov 2014 #96
The first step is to ignore the obvious Anti-Economic Justice trolls. nt Zorra Nov 2014 #133
Yes BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #174
I imagine we often call those simple things which we are unable to understand "senseless" LanternWaste Nov 2014 #182
There's Third Way randome, right on cue LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #189
Occupy Wall Street activists buy $15m of Americans' personal debt noiretextatique Nov 2014 #206
Yeah but you see, that doesn't count funny thing Rex Nov 2014 #231
i am losing patience with the pragmatic adults noiretextatique Nov 2014 #260
Kicked and recommended! You nailed it, Manny! Enthusiast Nov 2014 #44
I'm ready for leftier candidates winning elections. aikoaiko Nov 2014 #50
Damn right Android3.14 Nov 2014 #53
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Nov 2014 #59
indeed, the usurpers are full of themselves stupidicus Nov 2014 #60
K&R ReRe Nov 2014 #61
+1 Will Marshall and his PPI was formerly known as the policy arm of the DLC. hedda_foil Nov 2014 #132
Oh Manny... Don't You Get It ??? WillyT Nov 2014 #65
Thanks for saying that GummyBearz Nov 2014 #67
The backlash cometh. 99Forever Nov 2014 #69
Fuckin' A Manny! n/t gilpo Nov 2014 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Nov 2014 #80
Watch this cross post Half-Century Man Nov 2014 #83
Interesting, I need to dig into it MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #84
I just watched it, too Manny… MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #85
The first step is admitting there is something wrong... MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #86
+1 B Calm Nov 2014 #109
This line takes the cake. BKH70041 Nov 2014 #88
It's not me that you need to worry about. MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #91
I won't worry about them, either. BKH70041 Nov 2014 #94
Just like they did last Tuesday. MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #124
They just don't get it Manny, people like us that are obsessed with politics Dragonfli Nov 2014 #162
Ooo that should be her campaign slogan! Union Scribe Nov 2014 #97
Yeah but according to a few scholars here Rex Nov 2014 #102
Nope. I will not vote for them. peacebird Nov 2014 #140
''The Right-Wing Anti-Purgies'' DeSwiss Nov 2014 #92
3. The workers are practically unable to improve their condition because these two companies, which jtuck004 Nov 2014 #95
Double, triple REC! Fuddnik Nov 2014 #104
well manny heaven05 Nov 2014 #105
So, what's the plan to get the big money out of politics? IronLionZion Nov 2014 #111
he's just got his parody shtick.. no reason to do anything else when you got that! dionysus Nov 2014 #257
+10000000000000000 peacebird Nov 2014 #113
K&R Scuba Nov 2014 #118
Manny, Manny, Manny, Manny........Well said sir. Hotler Nov 2014 #122
K&R MissDeeds Nov 2014 #123
Take back the taxpayers Money in wages. mstinamotorcity2 Nov 2014 #129
Huge K&R!! Kermitt Gribble Nov 2014 #161
These people are rather spineless cowards 47of74 Nov 2014 #165
REC Feral Child Nov 2014 #166
Oh no! 176 recs! Make it go away! Rex Nov 2014 #168
You're not trying to "purge" the party.... JohnnyRingo Nov 2014 #170
"loudly pro union" MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #173
Well said Egnever Nov 2014 #192
Yep Andy823 Nov 2014 #212
"I still remember third way manny and was quite surprised by the sudden tack to the hard left" LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #270
Well said. Andy823 Nov 2014 #209
191 recs! Nooooooooooo! Rex Nov 2014 #178
.... in favor of authoritarian purges. Nooooooo! wyldwolf Nov 2014 #180
200! Oh the humanity! Rex Nov 2014 #219
Stalinism is such an interesting topic, don't you agree? wyldwolf Nov 2014 #223
I think you have fun wasting other peoples time. Rex Nov 2014 #226
purging occurs when the purgers can't unseat the purgees in a legitimate way. 100% of the time wyldwolf Nov 2014 #230
201! Rex Nov 2014 #238
Stalinists? wyldwolf Nov 2014 #241
Barney? Rex Nov 2014 #243
I dunno LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #271
Authoritarians do purges. baldguy Nov 2014 #181
So if Ted Cruz switched to being a Democrat, MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #185
That's exactly what Warren did. baldguy Nov 2014 #190
Elizabeth Warren = Ted Cruz? MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #201
You just seem to have a double standard when it comes to Republicans. baldguy Nov 2014 #215
I think that Elizabeth Warren is not the same as Ted Cruz? MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #218
Wow, that is something special. Rex Nov 2014 #244
Everytime I think I've seen it all on DU MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #246
That is their latest goal post move AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #187
Authoritarians don't care what the majority says. baldguy Nov 2014 #191
You assume right wingers/Third Way® are the majority in the Democratic party? AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #193
And you're ASSUMING that every Democratic Party leader - up to and including the President - baldguy Nov 2014 #194
Your words AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #195
Democrats lose when Democrats don't vote. You don't want Democrats to vote. baldguy Nov 2014 #196
"If we don't keep halfpublicans in power in the Democratic party... AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #197
Trouble is your definition of Democrat bares no resemblance to what Democrats actually believe. baldguy Nov 2014 #199
I do not support right wingers AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #200
Ah, but you do. baldguy Nov 2014 #202
Mind reader are you now? AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #204
And again, most of the Democrats you describe as "third way" aren't & never have been. baldguy Nov 2014 #211
Good luck on your quest to keep Third Way® and halfpublicans in power AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #217
I won't wish you "good luck" in your own quest in purging good liberal Democrats from power. baldguy Nov 2014 #222
I have no problems with 'good liberal Democrats' AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #224
#199 baldguy Nov 2014 #239
i live in california, where you don't have to be to the right of nixon to win noiretextatique Nov 2014 #210
Please note that **I** don't believe that, the purgies do. baldguy Nov 2014 #214
well...he did say that about himself noiretextatique Nov 2014 #216
Actually Obama believes that AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #220
Of course, that's not what he said. baldguy Nov 2014 #225
The link I posted for you shows the interview section where he says it AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #265
"You hate any Democrat that can actually win an election" LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #272
Exactly Andy823 Nov 2014 #205
They are much like Teabaggers in that respect. baldguy Nov 2014 #208
The whole 'Purge' meme is projection AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #221
Only a 'progressive' would call for a purge then claim it's 'projection.' wyldwolf Nov 2014 #234
They're "progressives" like Republicans are "patriots". baldguy Nov 2014 #242
Ever heard the term, "Far left purist"? AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #266
Sure. But never heard once use the terms then say 'get out of the party.' wyldwolf Nov 2014 #267
Prove it. baldguy Nov 2014 #236
don't hold your breath. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #237
"Mind you, not phoney "liberals" who hate successful center-left Democrats like Obama" AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #264
So, you purgies pulled this desrtuctive, divisional lie of an accusation out of your ass baldguy Nov 2014 #268
"Real liberal Democrats" AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #275
All this fuss by 5 people over a group of libertarian investment bankers. Rex Nov 2014 #240
+1000 noiretextatique Nov 2014 #259
Re: FDR vs. Obama: read this YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #184
I've been posting similar things on DU for years wyldwolf Nov 2014 #227
My understanding is as follows: MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #228
Manny, you have a way with words! Lol! sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #229
Basically a keyboard-based version of Tourette's syndrome MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #232
Lol, is that what it is? sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #276
Please people! Stop rec'cing this thread! It is bothering 3 people that have worked really Rex Nov 2014 #245
LOL. MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #249
If one more person rec's this thread, it will be the end of the party. Uhuh uhuh. Rex Nov 2014 #250
Only 3? I think Manny must be slacking. Autumn Nov 2014 #253
It seems to have started that way but now it's whittled down to a few. Rex Nov 2014 #254
Lol! I heard from the Third Way deniers that they don't exist. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #258
Dude I man love you! davidpdx Nov 2014 #262
206 Recs. woo me with science Nov 2014 #269
K&R! nt raouldukelives Nov 2014 #273
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