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In reply to the discussion: When a Student Confides a Rape, Should a Professor Have to Report It? [View all]Wella
(1,827 posts)63. Universities are not equipped for investigations of felonies
And the campus police protects the university. Referring a rape victim directly to campus police--and not the metropolitan police--can result in the victim not getting justice. This has been the norm for quite some time. Now the DOE is telling universities if they are going to handle rape cases, they need to insure that perpetrators are expelled. The problem is that the university administration is not experienced in handling felonies: they are just trying to make problems go away.
Yes, expulsion is not a criminal history, and the young (usually) male does not go to jail, but if he is innocent, there is no real way to prove it in these university tribunals. There was a recent case here:
http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2014/11/03/sexual-harassment-policy-that-nearly-ruined-life/hY3XrZrOdXjvX2SSvuciPN/story.html
I would say more about what the accusation itself entailed if indeed I had such information. Under the informal complaint process, specific accusations are not disclosed to the accused, no fact-finding takes place, and no record is taken of the alleged misconduct. For the committee to issue an informal complaint, an accuser need only bring an accusation that, if substantiated, would constitute a violation of university policy concerning sexual misconduct. The informal process begins and ends at the point of accusation; the truth of the claim is immaterial.
When I demanded that fact-finding be done so that I could clear my name, I was told, Theres nothing to clear your name of. When I then requested that a formal complaint be lodged against me a process that does involve investigation into the facts I was told that such a course of action was impossible for me to initiate. At any time, however, my accuser retained the right to raise the complaint to a formal level. No matter, the Committee reassured me, the informal complaint did not constitute a disciplinary proceeding and nothing would be attached to my official record at Yale.
Coincidentally, the same day that my accuser decided to lodge the complaint against me, the news that I had been selected as a finalist for the Rhodes Scholarship had been publicly announced. The news gained national attention, with stories in every major media outlet in print and online, because of my position as Yales starting quarterback and the fact that my interview date was set for the same day as my last Harvard-Yale football game.
Days after the initial meeting with the University-Wide Committee on Sexual Misconduct, I received a phone call from the Rhodes Trust informing me that they had received an anonymous tip that I had been accused by a fellow student of sexual misconduct. Next came a call from my summer employer, who, having received a similar anonymous tip, rescinded my offer of full-time employment upon graduation.
Months later, long after I had already withdrawn my Rhodes candidacy, the New York Times somehow also learned of the confidential complaint made against me, and that the Rhodes Trust had been aware of it. The paper then published a lengthy article revising the narrative of my pursuit of the scholarship and suggesting that I had intentionally misled media into believing a feel-good sports story that never was. The Times public editor later condemned the piece for using anonymous sources, but the damage was already done; I was publicly humiliated. The memory of being told by the Committee that I had nothing to clear my name of was searing.
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Yes, let's use a preponderance of the evidence standard for criminal sexual assault cases.
Vattel
Nov 2014
#7
The Committee on Women in the Academic Profession of the AAUP is sooo right wing. What a joke.
Vattel
Nov 2014
#29
Read it again. It is a letter to the Dept of education arguing that they should withdraw
Vattel
Nov 2014
#31
so you agree with me that the preponderance of the ecidence standard is too high. Good.
Vattel
Nov 2014
#45
I don't have enough likes to give for your take down of this MRA idiocy
alcibiades_mystery
Nov 2014
#67
What I think is that the new policies are unjust because the burden of proof is absurdly low.
Vattel
Nov 2014
#43
http://claremontindependent.com/title-ix-sexual-violence-the-preponderance-standard/
Vattel
Nov 2014
#64
Defendants are not rapists until convicted. "Alleged" is a very powerful word.
branford
Nov 2014
#56
And apparently victims aren't "victims" until their rapist has been convicted, in your eyes. n/t
moriah
Nov 2014
#123
The way rape apologists always refer to victims as "accusers", never "victims".
moriah
Nov 2014
#127
yes, lets get rid of due process for those accused of rape. That is so progressive.
Vattel
Nov 2014
#10
Title IX does not require a preponderance of the evidence standard. The AAUP is opposed to that
Vattel
Nov 2014
#139
Only if you don't want rape victims to be able to confide in a professor.
Live and Learn
Nov 2014
#19
I strongly believe in mandated reporting for those who are unable to stand for themselves, for
uppityperson
Nov 2014
#23
That's largely how it is for us - the required report is not to police, but rather
petronius
Nov 2014
#53
A student hasn't "committed a felony" until they're actually convicted of a felony.
branford
Nov 2014
#85
I went to college as a minor. Still 16 when I had my first class, lived on-campus.
moriah
Nov 2014
#119
Regardless, rape is rape. I don't like the semantics being played in this thread between children &
alp227
Nov 2014
#75
Rape is rape. But adults have the right not to report if they choose to not report.
pnwmom
Nov 2014
#76
Do you really believe the differences between an adult and minor child to be mere semantics?
branford
Nov 2014
#87
So you'd report it to the university power structure before the young woman goes to the real police?
Wella
Nov 2014
#73
In California, certain professionals are mandatory reporters regardless of victims's age
Hekate
Nov 2014
#80
Sadly this will have a chilling effect on student-faculty mentor relationships.
aikoaiko
Nov 2014
#83
My point was that even before college, teachers had to report rape and ideations if they had
mfcorey1
Nov 2014
#109
I'm not a lawyer, but my guess is that unless the teacher's employer has a contractual statement
ladjf
Nov 2014
#102
Okay, thanks. Could not decide if this was a Legal or a Moral question/obligation.
Tuesday Afternoon
Nov 2014
#117
I tend to agree in regards to adults, I would respect their wishes whichever way. n/t
Tuesday Afternoon
Nov 2014
#118