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alp227

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Mon Nov 10, 2014, 06:49 PM Nov 2014

Obamacare Architect: ‘Lack of Transparency’ Helped Us Pass the Law [View all]

H/T Mediaite, basically the newest viral right wing outrage of the day. The author transcribed the video that's a 53-second clip of a longer video of MIT Prof. Jonathan Gruber speaking the 2013 UPenn Health Economists' Conference:

This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes. If (Congressional Budget Office) scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies. Okay, so it’s written to do that. In terms of risk-rated subsidies, if you had a law which said that healthy people are going to pay in -– you made explicit that healthy people pay in and sick people get money — it would not have passed… Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter, or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass. And it’s the second-best argument. Look, I wish Mark was right that we could make it all transparent, but I’d rather have this law than not.


More info about Gruber's Obamacare & Romneycare work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Gruber_%28economist%29#Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act

Searching for Gruber's name in DU, I found plenty of big threads about him. Do you consider these statements problematic? (Edit) Found full video of the 2013 seminar...Go to 20:00 mark for the remarks quoted above

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They statements in the video are certainly not helpful and are a little embarrassing. branford Nov 2014 #1
2000 page bill, poorly written, and deliberate lack of transparency by the government we pay for. merrily Nov 2014 #2
I don't see how this is on the voters. PeteSelman Nov 2014 #3
I don't know about transparency. Brigid Nov 2014 #4
You can't even be glad pre-existing conditions no longer apply, and millions Hoyt Nov 2014 #7
Then why didn't they sell it on that - instead of lying? simak Nov 2014 #8
He didn't lie. Some things might not have gone as he, or we, wish.. But that Hoyt Nov 2014 #11
Sorry. I guess I misunderstood the video about how stupid voters are... simak Nov 2014 #13
If you believe that people like myself will ever benefit from ACA . . . Brigid Nov 2014 #9
I care that lots of people benefit. If you don't, I'm sorry. Hoyt Nov 2014 #10
This is something that should have been for everyone. Brigid Nov 2014 #14
What did you expect? Hoyt Nov 2014 #15
Two words: Brigid Nov 2014 #16
Wasn't going to happen at that point. Hoyt Nov 2014 #20
It will *never* happen. Brigid Nov 2014 #22
Let's hope so, at least an option to buy into Medicare with subsidies. Hoyt Nov 2014 #23
Exactly. historylovr Nov 2014 #35
We're all already benefiting in one way or another. Whether its... stevenleser Nov 2014 #34
+++++++++++ still_one Nov 2014 #26
I'm just glad the voters appreciate this was in their best interests. simak Nov 2014 #5
Well said. Ink Man Nov 2014 #27
Wonderful representation we have in this country. LOL malokvale77 Nov 2014 #6
I'm sorry if you live in a non-Medicaid expansion state, but that's not the fault of the ACA. pnwmom Nov 2014 #31
So many here keep praising Medicaid expansion... malokvale77 Nov 2014 #36
Wasn't The Template For This Law RomneyCare?.....nt global1 Nov 2014 #12
The Heritage Foundation was the root of both evils nationalize the fed Nov 2014 #17
Maybe one day people will get tired of being treated like 4 year olds nationalize the fed Nov 2014 #18
Nice choice of quotes. I saw the same line. simak Nov 2014 #19
K&R woo me with science Nov 2014 #21
Yet complain about Obamacare here and you get pilloried. Dreamer Tatum Nov 2014 #24
kick woo me with science Nov 2014 #25
Ha ha. It is to laugh. At integrity. Octafish Nov 2014 #28
This video was available a year and a half ago Recursion Nov 2014 #29
EXACTLY. Where are the 'journalists'? maced666 Dec 2014 #37
Proving that absolute adherence to "transparency" isn't always a good thing. pnwmom Nov 2014 #30
People on DEMOCRATIC Underground are still flogging this horseshit? 6000eliot Nov 2014 #32
Well played Fox/GOP. Bumper sticker attack that needs two page rebuttal no one reads. IADEMO2004 Nov 2014 #33
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