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gmb92

(57 posts)
9. Stalin and Communism
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:21 PM
Nov 2014

I'd say Stalin's economic philosophy is too extreme. A society that combines capitalism and socialism is ideal in my view - one that rewards hard work, allows for private enterprise but allows for excellent class mobility, a much smaller gap between rich and poor and much stronger social safety net than exists in the United States. Europe on balance is closer to that ideal.

I definitely agree with the gist of the measures in your link. Bernie Sanders is hardly some extreme leftist, and quite reasonable. Nor is Clinton. I wish the center of the U.S. Congress was about where he is, at most only slightly to the right. Clinton on balance is more conservative for my preferences but not dramatically so, and her voting record hardly implies any significant right-wing philosophy on most issues, although there's a very good case to be made foreign policy-wise. Anyone looks leftist compared to Bush/Cheney on that front.

Obama never had filibuster-proof votes to implement a much more progressive agenda that he envisioned (a handful of conservative Dem Senators held that up...remember Ben Nelson?) , but I would note that his most progressive achievements came during his first 2 years as opposed to the last 4, with the exception of rolling back the Bush tax cuts on the top 1-2% and some executive action on issues like the environment. If he had the votes, and as indicated by both his actions (ObamaCare financing comes from taxes on the wealthy and corporation too) and speeches, he'd raise the marginal rates further, but that's out of the question now thanks to the cumulative effect of both midterms.

Another way of looking at it, whether it's Warren, Sanders, or Nader, if any was President, their ratings would be pushed sharply to the right on your chart - how far based on what the legislative makeup of Congress was. They could stick to their guns and get nothing done or do what is politically possible. Obama would not have the votes for single payer, so he formed legislation that just barely brought all Democrats on board against a fiercely obstructionist Republican minority. All elections matter, whether it's getting another progressive in SCOTUS (note how Citizens United went down along party lines), voting in the primaries for progressives, or choosing the more progressive of 2 candidates (even if you view this as center-right vs extreme right), every one of those votes can help shift the legislative and judicial branches (state or national) to the point where governors or presidents will shift accordingly. Sitting out the vote and letting the nation go to hell makes things worse, and we end up spending so much time digging out from a mess (see the Bush years and aftermath). Imagine if Obama had not inherited a projected $1.5 trillion deficit (CBO, early 2009). I'm digressing a bit.

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'That is how all too many rationalize not voting' onehandle Nov 2014 #1
That's a fancy picture but what makes you think it's accurate? rhett o rick Nov 2014 #2
Not just social issues gmb92 Nov 2014 #5
Maybe it's just me, but all that pales in comparison with her decision to betray us and support Bush rhett o rick Nov 2014 #7
I'm assuming you're referring to the Iraq war gmb92 Nov 2014 #11
I hear you and appreciate your reasonable responses to my pointed posts. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #12
I don't think any one leader can lead us out of oligarchy gmb92 Nov 2014 #20
She is a War Monger, it is not just the Iraq War. Her Foreign Policies are Republican Foreign sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #24
Totally agree, Rhett Carolina Nov 2014 #25
It's not just you. Scuba Nov 2014 #27
Agree. A warmonger. Nothing more. Katashi_itto Nov 2014 #32
I prefer this one: LWolf Nov 2014 #3
If one is to the right of FDR go join another party that would be the rule if I was in charge IdiocracyTheNewNorm Nov 2014 #4
Europe gmb92 Nov 2014 #6
Their methodology LWolf Nov 2014 #8
Stalin and Communism gmb92 Nov 2014 #9
One thing LWolf Nov 2014 #13
Ratings gmb92 Nov 2014 #15
Where might a socialist land on that chart? Where would someone like Sen Sanders? rhett o rick Nov 2014 #10
That's a good question. LWolf Nov 2014 #14
Sanders might be near the center gmb92 Nov 2014 #16
At the bottom of this page: Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #17
Yeh, St. Ralph who gave us Bush and Iraq war and took Rethug money to do it HERVEPA Nov 2014 #26
Ignorance is bliss. nt LWolf Nov 2014 #36
Exactly. When I hear people hate Hillary Clinton, but can't back it with actual reasons bhikkhu Nov 2014 #18
Some of the reasons are valid gmb92 Nov 2014 #21
I know what that's like - sometimes people pick out one act to hate a person for bhikkhu Nov 2014 #22
Maybe you didn't listen to her speech where she mimicked the Bush lies about WMD rhett o rick Nov 2014 #23
Not a good graph BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #19
Pro war, pro Wall Street, pro TPP, pro Keystone XL, pro H-1B visas. Yep, that's a liberal all right. Scuba Nov 2014 #28
This one reminds to take to heart... 99Forever Nov 2014 #29
"On the issues" is a terribly misleading domain name for this stupid argument. Orsino Nov 2014 #30
Can you have social justice without economic justice? I don't believe so. CrispyQ Nov 2014 #31
Screw the fancy charts. When it comes to the vote. I will write in Darth Vader. He represents a Katashi_itto Nov 2014 #33
I like that idea... LP2K12 Nov 2014 #35
Thanks for posting this. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #34
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