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gmb92

(57 posts)
15. Ratings
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:54 PM
Nov 2014
that I like about the political compass is that the ratings are based on actions, not words.


According to your link:

"They have been evaluated through scrutiny of public statements, manifestos, interviews and, crucially, voting records."

which is similar to ontheissues.org, using first voting records (actions) and public statements. The key difference, as we noted before, is ontheissues is US-based while politicalcompass is in relation to world leaders, past and present. I think both have merit and limitations.

Frankly, I'd rather have someone who will stick to their guns; that "nothing" that they get done is huge when it means we didn't LOSE any ground, while doing "what is politically possible" often means moving the nation in the wrong direction, which further weakens us.


I don't think rolling back Bush tax cuts for the wealthy (belated or not), passing energy efficiency standards on multiple fronts, having the EPA take action on emissions, passing health care reform that expands Medicaid, is very progressively financed, and provides health insurance to tens of millions of people, passing a large stimulus bill that is mostly progressive and took us out of the Great Recession, has moved us in the wrong direction. Insisting on single payer, 80% tax rates on the top income brackets, etc. would end up with nothing done. Nothing done renders the nation more right-wing than it would be otherwise. If a stubborn progressive leader insisted on those things the end result is an administration that ends up being more right-wing in comparison to a more pragmatic one. That is a wasted opportunity, and one I don't think a Bernie Sanders would squander. Moving the compass to the left can't be done by simply electing a leader with a strong progressive voting record (Senator Obama) but requires persistent voting in every election, local, state, and national, and both in primaries and general elections.

I think that being honest about where a candidate really stands is the ethical thing to do, and I think that people who cast their votes shouldn't be propagandized into thinking a candidate is something different than he or she really is.


I agree with that, which is why I posted the ontheissues links, which shows key voting records on every major issue, which I think shows the big picture, good and bad. Candidates should be evaluated based on a complete record, not a selective reading, which non-voters often do to justify their inaction.

The only way one can really justify not voting is to truly believe there are no significant differences between candidates, and I don't think that's justified when comparing a Hillary Clinton to a Paul Ryan, for example.

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'That is how all too many rationalize not voting' onehandle Nov 2014 #1
That's a fancy picture but what makes you think it's accurate? rhett o rick Nov 2014 #2
Not just social issues gmb92 Nov 2014 #5
Maybe it's just me, but all that pales in comparison with her decision to betray us and support Bush rhett o rick Nov 2014 #7
I'm assuming you're referring to the Iraq war gmb92 Nov 2014 #11
I hear you and appreciate your reasonable responses to my pointed posts. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #12
I don't think any one leader can lead us out of oligarchy gmb92 Nov 2014 #20
She is a War Monger, it is not just the Iraq War. Her Foreign Policies are Republican Foreign sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #24
Totally agree, Rhett Carolina Nov 2014 #25
It's not just you. Scuba Nov 2014 #27
Agree. A warmonger. Nothing more. Katashi_itto Nov 2014 #32
I prefer this one: LWolf Nov 2014 #3
If one is to the right of FDR go join another party that would be the rule if I was in charge IdiocracyTheNewNorm Nov 2014 #4
Europe gmb92 Nov 2014 #6
Their methodology LWolf Nov 2014 #8
Stalin and Communism gmb92 Nov 2014 #9
One thing LWolf Nov 2014 #13
Ratings gmb92 Nov 2014 #15
Where might a socialist land on that chart? Where would someone like Sen Sanders? rhett o rick Nov 2014 #10
That's a good question. LWolf Nov 2014 #14
Sanders might be near the center gmb92 Nov 2014 #16
At the bottom of this page: Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #17
Yeh, St. Ralph who gave us Bush and Iraq war and took Rethug money to do it HERVEPA Nov 2014 #26
Ignorance is bliss. nt LWolf Nov 2014 #36
Exactly. When I hear people hate Hillary Clinton, but can't back it with actual reasons bhikkhu Nov 2014 #18
Some of the reasons are valid gmb92 Nov 2014 #21
I know what that's like - sometimes people pick out one act to hate a person for bhikkhu Nov 2014 #22
Maybe you didn't listen to her speech where she mimicked the Bush lies about WMD rhett o rick Nov 2014 #23
Not a good graph BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #19
Pro war, pro Wall Street, pro TPP, pro Keystone XL, pro H-1B visas. Yep, that's a liberal all right. Scuba Nov 2014 #28
This one reminds to take to heart... 99Forever Nov 2014 #29
"On the issues" is a terribly misleading domain name for this stupid argument. Orsino Nov 2014 #30
Can you have social justice without economic justice? I don't believe so. CrispyQ Nov 2014 #31
Screw the fancy charts. When it comes to the vote. I will write in Darth Vader. He represents a Katashi_itto Nov 2014 #33
I like that idea... LP2K12 Nov 2014 #35
Thanks for posting this. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #34
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