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Eric J in MN

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78. It was to win over conservative Democrats in Congress with a states rights element.

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Tue Nov 11, 2014, 10:05 AM

Nov 2014

The liberals wanted the simplicity and lower-cost of just having a federal exchange.

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Say goodbye to Obamacare... [View all] randys1 Nov 2014 OP

Why would Roberts suddenly start giving a shit now about the lives of "average" Americans? villager Nov 2014 #1

If this goes thru, I hope the people they will murder will react in some manner randys1 Nov 2014 #2

Why did Roberts twist himself into a pretzel to preserve the ACA in 2012? (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #10

Private mandates BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #31

The subsidies are also a huge benefit to the insurance companies. Jim Lane Nov 2014 #97

Yeah, but the same is true of welfare programs or a basic income BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #98

ACA subsidies are a much more direct benefit to an identifiable class Jim Lane Nov 2014 #102

I have my doubts BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #103

In 2012, Justice John Roberts Eric J in MN Nov 2014 #41

Probably saved it because it was in his own best personal interest Samantha Nov 2014 #64

What is John Roberts' pre-existing condition? NT Eric J in MN Nov 2014 #77

I have only heard the name of it once and cannot remember it Samantha Nov 2014 #80

Epilespy or some other seizure disorder. Fawke Em Nov 2014 #86

It is not epilespy because when I read the name of the disease I had never heard of it Samantha Nov 2014 #125

A good question. I believe that Roberts actually wrote the decision to strike the ACA down, StevieM Nov 2014 #47

He recognized the language problem and knew he Purrfessor Nov 2014 #51

I strongly doubt that. The so-called "language problem" is a recent fiction. Jim Lane Nov 2014 #96

Regardless of what everyone else was saying... Purrfessor Nov 2014 #120

There's a theory customerserviceguy Nov 2014 #61

There must be executive action Skink Nov 2014 #3

They aren't in contempt of the law SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2014 #6

Then the wording is moot. Skink Nov 2014 #7

Sorry, not following n/t SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2014 #8

Go to bed then. Skink Nov 2014 #29

What do you mean that the wording is moot? n/t SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2014 #35

Mmm, well the ACA does say that each state "shall establish an Exchange" Rstrstx Nov 2014 #30

Unlikely BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #32

No, it doesn't say that SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2014 #36

The Federal government cannot order state governments to do that under the Constitution Yo_Mama Nov 2014 #55

Actually it did Rstrstx Nov 2014 #66

Another problem in the argument - an "Exchange" Rstrstx Nov 2014 #68

Congress, if they werent domesstic terrorists, the cons that is, could fix this the way congress randys1 Nov 2014 #82

Thank you for the correction SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2014 #101

The Federal government doesn't have the legal authority to mandate that states establish an Exchange Yo_Mama Nov 2014 #53

If this does happen Politicalboi Nov 2014 #4

be careful BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #13

Guess what? A lot of the "blue" states Art_from_Ark Nov 2014 #15

West Coast Union BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #19

Of course, California hasn't always been blue Art_from_Ark Nov 2014 #22

Maybe BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #27

Yah... malokvale77 Nov 2014 #28

Well BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #33

Of course California is not the whole West Coast....Democrats won in Oregon by margins like 20% Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #105

Obama Betrayed His Base billhicks76 Nov 2014 #39

Heard this 2 yrs. ago and thought it super. This can't go on, better to save some appalachiablue Nov 2014 #48

That's just so Cliven Bundy. nt Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #81

What scares me is that the election kind of gave them a go ahead if they want to take it that way. jwirr Nov 2014 #5

Wasn't roberts the deciding vote in favor of the govt Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #9

He's happy to do things like preserve the ACA to keep the heat off him and the SCOTUS, Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #14

Could be BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #18

You would think that Ebola was an eye opener. Baitball Blogger Nov 2014 #20

Not to he cycinal, but Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #24

Kick Cha Nov 2014 #11

Protesters outside should put a huge board of faces of the people that will die if the court rules.. AZ Progressive Nov 2014 #12

The elites won't care BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #16

Ah, a little truth shines in. WHEN CRABS ROAR Nov 2014 #52

Everyone alive today will die if the Supremes vote against the ACA FrodosPet Nov 2014 #65

And they're the pro-life party....pfft! nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #17

GOP is pro fetus, and pro death for everybody else. blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #43

I called my state representative, Kathy Byron, who only seems to care about the fetus. phylny Nov 2014 #73

Interesting article shaayecanaan Nov 2014 #21

Remember though that the mess that passed Yupster Nov 2014 #129

It would always have been a mess shaayecanaan Nov 2014 #132

And thus universal health care is permanently impossible. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #23

Must be great to be right wing in this country BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #34

No, all the litigating is settled on that - Congress has the power to do it. Yo_Mama Nov 2014 #56

Congress will never touch healthcare legislation again. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #62

That word 'never' is one I've heard spoken with great certainty about LGBT rights, marriage equality Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #106

"Not in my lifetime" is more precise then. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #108

btw...if the court rules for the states dixiegrrrrl Nov 2014 #25

We are still signing up this week. B Calm Nov 2014 #26

My bcBS raised my rates $105 already. glinda Nov 2014 #40

Hope they don't screw it up before Melurkyoulongtime Nov 2014 #37

I think Roberts pulls the trigger this time. He is drifting with a bloody red state flag. Be damned kairos12 Nov 2014 #38

No way. The mandate was a corporate wet dream. woo me with science Nov 2014 #42

Teaparty is in charge of the repub party, are they in charge of Roberts, this is the question randys1 Nov 2014 #84

No, it's not. This is corporate oligarchy, and Obamacare was written by insurance companies. woo me with science Nov 2014 #89

Wait, MY response is 3rd Way smokescreen? randys1 Nov 2014 #90

How soon they forget the meeting behind closed doors ...single payer advocates excluded. L0oniX Nov 2014 #124

... L0oniX Nov 2014 #123

When right-wingers see the word "Obamacare" they read "N****rcare". backscatter712 Nov 2014 #44

Pains me to say it; but you're right Populist_Prole Nov 2014 #67

Righty is furious at all who voted for that Black man randys1 Nov 2014 #83

Sadly, probably true. Hoyt Nov 2014 #126

rename it RomneyCare - that's exactly what it IS TorchTheWitch Nov 2014 #136

If I remember correctly we were also humbled_opinion Nov 2014 #45

The reps won't explain it jeff47 Nov 2014 #49

Tommy Douglas started single-payer universal health care in Saskatchewan. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2014 #128

The ACA is the last piece of national healthcare legislation. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #63

Eh, blue states? BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #71

Not the original Heritage policy--important geek tragedy Nov 2014 #75

i am saying BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #87

Oregon Democrats won by huge margins, Oregon would eagely start our own system. Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #107

Massachusetts BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #112

Oregon seems to have their shit together BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #119

All that will be left is the tax bill, and I'm not so uncertain that that wasn't the plan all along. blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #46

It would endanger the long term viability of the whole system. But mn9driver Nov 2014 #50

The GOP-Controlled Congress and the GOP-Controlled Media Will Blame Obama for the Mess AndyTiedye Nov 2014 #54

Maybe. mn9driver Nov 2014 #57

It Isn't Up to the Voting Public AndyTiedye Nov 2014 #118

And if we roll over and do nothing at that point, we deserve what happens to us randys1 Nov 2014 #85

Honestly BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #58

Might force the hand of states that are resisting- might be a good thing JCMach1 Nov 2014 #59

I live in Louisiana Ex Lurker Nov 2014 #70

Canada and Europe got it good to not have to go through this crap. eom Jamaal510 Nov 2014 #60

Canada did go through this crap at one time... Spazito Nov 2014 #95

why bother with state-exchanges at all? quadrature Nov 2014 #69

An easily crippled half measure BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #72

It was to win over conservative Democrats in Congress with a states rights element. Eric J in MN Nov 2014 #78

My DW just hired one more Doc and Two nurses thanks to ACA funding. ileus Nov 2014 #74

So can we stop calling the Supremes justices and a court now? fasttense Nov 2014 #76

Really? This is about racism? Capt. Obvious Nov 2014 #79

I cant help you if you dont understand that WHITE HOT HATE of Obama based on who he is randys1 Nov 2014 #88

No, you're wrong Capt. Obvious Nov 2014 #92

Yeah, it has nothing to do with racism or getting healthcare to Black families randys1 Nov 2014 #93

Okay Capt. Obvious Nov 2014 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author Old Nick Nov 2014 #91

Thank you for self-deleting. nt stevenleser Nov 2014 #99

what was said? randys1 Nov 2014 #113

I will PM you. nt stevenleser Nov 2014 #114

Consider the political consequences of a ruling against the ACA Jim Lane Nov 2014 #100

Republican voters don't think about real life geek tragedy Nov 2014 #111

Nor do the Firebaggers here unfortunately. stevenleser Nov 2014 #115

Firebaggers, Teahadists, same shit, different pile. nt geek tragedy Nov 2014 #116

This challenge is about private companies getting money from the government. There's no way hughee99 Nov 2014 #104

everything good about the ACA has always been vulnerable 0rganism Nov 2014 #109

I don't think that's going to happen. Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #110

+1. As much as I distrust right wingers, I'm not worried about this case. Hoyt Nov 2014 #127

if so, I wonder if pre-existing condition discrimination and lifetime limits ecstatic Nov 2014 #117

That is one possible way the Supremes may rule Yupster Nov 2014 #130

Scares the hell out of me Bigredhunk Nov 2014 #121

This lawsuit could only be filed Yupster Nov 2014 #131

You voted for Obama, righty wants to kill or dehumanize all who did randys1 Nov 2014 #139

I won't miss it. I don't qualify ...and I wanted single payer. L0oniX Nov 2014 #122

Many of us will. It's not just about those mmonk Nov 2014 #133

We'll miss it. We're retired and just a couple years shy for medicare. B Calm Nov 2014 #134

Millions will miss it and many will die...but dont worry about them randys1 Nov 2014 #137

I have a disabled wife to care for ...that's enough or me to "worry about". L0oniX Nov 2014 #140

You could have said that... randys1 Nov 2014 #141

You could realize that opinions and perspective can come from ones experiences and life situation. L0oniX Nov 2014 #142

This uncertainty is what is keeping me in a job that's killing me. AngryOldDem Nov 2014 #135

Sounds like you work for a republican or teapartier randys1 Nov 2014 #138

I do. A LOT of them, as a matter of fact. AngryOldDem Nov 2014 #143