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LawDeeDah

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49. Compared to the Clintons?

Tue Nov 11, 2014, 11:18 AM

Nov 2014

You really think as many people that recognized the Clinton name from so many years back, knew who that Senator was in 2004?

No. Obama was a relative unknown even up to the primaries. People were watching Storage Wars, not the Dem convention. He stood in the background and gradually came up front during the finals because his words gained recognition, not his surname. He had to actually campaign while Hillary was renting helicopters and following inept advice from Penn and Bill and could only attack Obama's message because she didn't have one of her own. She was very disrespectful, she and Bill and the team will not be forgiven by a lot of people for the desperate moves they made when they discovered they were sunk.

Hillary Clinton got her arse handed to her by an unknown, in fact she was so damn sure of her easy win she and her crack team didn't even look beyond Super Tuesday for planning.

Routed, and drubbed.

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Is Hillary the Martha Coakley of national Democrats? [View all] BillZBubb Nov 2014 OP

Gumby? Is that you? Darb Nov 2014 #1

No, not me. There's more Pokey in me. BillZBubb Nov 2014 #9

Well Hillary has won sharp_stick Nov 2014 #2

Coakley won elections too, in her district, but at the state level she fails. BillZBubb Nov 2014 #7

Coakley was our AG Capt. Obvious Nov 2014 #18

Coakley HAS won statewide, a few in Mass have said there is some sexism when it comes to electing JI7 Nov 2014 #20

The day that Coakley got the Dem gubernatorial nom,* I said, "Meet Governor Baker." merrily Nov 2014 #3

She may be the Harold Stassen of the 21st century tularetom Nov 2014 #4

Or the Adlai Stevenson II MineralMan Nov 2014 #6

i'm pretty neutral on hillary, but no, there's no comparison here at all. not even close. unblock Nov 2014 #5

"Clobbered"? She got 17 million votes, almost the same as Obama brooklynite Nov 2014 #8

Delegate count, delegate count... BillZBubb Nov 2014 #10

So if Hillary is the Martha Coakley of the Democratic Party, that makes Howard Dean.....? brooklynite Nov 2014 #11

Is Howard running for president? I hadn't heard that he was. BillZBubb Nov 2014 #13

That was close also. Tom Rinaldo Nov 2014 #16

I doubt she'd make the same mistake twice. Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2014 #23

Hillary did not get "clobbered" in the delegate count either. former9thward Nov 2014 #36

There is an asterisk on that popular vote. AtomicKitten Nov 2014 #61

Your asterisk not mine. former9thward Nov 2014 #62

It's wiki's asterisk/footnote, not mine or yours. AtomicKitten Nov 2014 #63

Was also close until she realized it was over and her delegates pledeged to Obama.. joeybee12 Nov 2014 #44

Super delegate count, super delegate count. Beacool Nov 2014 #46

Clobbered? i thought the popular vote wax almost even. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #12

Remember 2008, they were saying no Democrat except Hillary could win. BillZBubb Nov 2014 #14

Once it is clear who is running we will have a better idea. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #17

She ran a very bad campaign in 2008. Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2014 #22

I would do away with caucuses. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #26

Wow there sure were a lot of rocks turned over last night. The slugs and trolls are out in force. Pisces Nov 2014 #15

A little sensitive, are we Fish? BillZBubb Nov 2014 #28

Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #29

She was able to get elected to the Senate, which is more than Coakley could do. Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2014 #19

Yes, but my analogy was Coakley won locally, but couldn't win the state. BillZBubb Nov 2014 #32

I think the same could be said of Warren & O'Malley Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2014 #34

Absolutely, I agree. Hillary has a great resume. BillZBubb Nov 2014 #40

I don't remember Obama clobbering Hillary. Control-Z Nov 2014 #21

If you consider the power of the Clinton Machine LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #24

No. It wasn't. (nt) Control-Z Nov 2014 #25

Yes, it was. Delegates, delegates, delegates. BillZBubb Nov 2014 #31

What is your definiton of getting "clobbered" former9thward Nov 2014 #37

50%+1. BillZBubb Nov 2014 #41

Yeah, an unknown Senator who gave the Keynote speech former9thward Nov 2014 #48

Compared to the Clintons? LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #49

Clinton got more votes in the primaries than did Obama. former9thward Nov 2014 #50

Bullcrap!!! Beacool Nov 2014 #47

No. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2014 #27

Your numbers are very misleading. BillZBubb Nov 2014 #30

He won by 1 tenth of 1 percent of the vote. Your use of words like "clobbered" is misleading. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2014 #35

Unknown? former9thward Nov 2014 #38

It's pretty clear this poster doesn't have any clue about either the Obama - Clinton primary race OR MADem Nov 2014 #43

Failed miserably? Clobbered? What election were you watching? MADem Nov 2014 #33

"I'm not going to wave the sexist card"! BillZBubb Nov 2014 #39

You don't have a grasp of MA politics. MADem Nov 2014 #42

Hillary got clobbered????? Beacool Nov 2014 #45

No Mike Nelson Nov 2014 #51

That is an odious description. longship Nov 2014 #52

Nope, it is an important question. BillZBubb Nov 2014 #53

Totally irrelevant until she declares as a candidate, or indeed anybody does. longship Nov 2014 #56

I just love the smell of right wing talking points leftofcool Nov 2014 #54

When you find some, let me know. BillZBubb Nov 2014 #55

Try Googling Rand Paul on HRC leftofcool Nov 2014 #58

Uh-uh Old Nick Nov 2014 #57

Clobbered? People have short memories... she is NO Coakley JCMach1 Nov 2014 #59

No. Rex Nov 2014 #60

Yes. nt silvershadow Nov 2014 #64