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BrotherIvan

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73. That's not entirely true

Tue Nov 11, 2014, 02:58 PM

Nov 2014

Obama campaigned as a liberal, tugging at each individual leftie heart string and making promises. Regardless of what 3rd wayers who always pull out "you weren't listening" and "he campaigned as center-left/right" he positioned himself as a liberal agains McCain's conservatism.

And he won. People voted for him. TWICE. They heard all the smears about Alinsky and Ayers and that Obama was a secret commie pinko, but they cam out to vote for him. They wanted what he was selling.

Democrats are so afraid of being called liberals because they have allowed and continue to allow Republicans to define and frame the conversation. Here is a Democratic President, the leader of the Democratic Party, running away from the liberal label. Trying to act like being more conservative is better. It only perpetuates the idea that being a liberal is bad and conservative policies are good. It's so infuriating.

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President Obama said that he is �in a lot of ways� less liberal than Republican President Nixon [View all] Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 OP

Apparently some people here on DU think our President must be lying Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #1

yep I posted the video of him telling O"Reilly this in two seperate threads m-lekktor Nov 2014 #9

apparently some people here on DU don't understand the president's game onenote Nov 2014 #41

Why would any Democratic Leader even bother to PLAY GAMES with that lying, tabloid, pathological sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #51

Couldn't have said it better myself. He should be AT WAR with these morons, Nay Nov 2014 #59

Yes he should be unless he was speaking the3 truth and he is more conservative than Tricky Dick Vincardog Nov 2014 #91

Yes. I'm tired of this rationalizing deutsey Nov 2014 #78

++++ nt laundry_queen Nov 2014 #97

Bam! whatchamacallit Nov 2014 #81

well-said!! Vattel Nov 2014 #89

+ 1,000,000,000 - What You Said !!! WillyT Nov 2014 #90

Right On!! Liberal_Dog Nov 2014 #92

+9999999 LittleBlue Nov 2014 #107

Well said. And that woosh you heard was your excellent and really elementary point flying over some Number23 Nov 2014 #99

Well, area51 Nov 2014 #2

XL Pipeline and TPP approval dead ahead, capn' NordicLeft Nov 2014 #8

Being less liberal is NOT conservative still_one Nov 2014 #13

Exactly. PragmaticLiberal Nov 2014 #29

of course not, but this is just another opportunity to rant and rave how "bad Obama" is, ignoring still_one Nov 2014 #54

That depends on what you are 'less liberal' about. Can you give an example of what you mean by 'less sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #80

Thanks, needs to be widely read dreamnightwind Nov 2014 #21

Thanks for posting that. nt City Lights Nov 2014 #37

Lol BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #3

was Medicare and the Great Society Liberal? How about the Viet Nam war? still_one Nov 2014 #55

this is representative of how democrats run screaming from being labeled "liberal" cali Nov 2014 #4

I just think it's a moment of pure honesty. obxhead Nov 2014 #6

Exactly - if anyone needed further proof of how the word "liberal" bullwinkle428 Nov 2014 #24

Well his ACTIONS sure have proven he is IdiocracyTheNewNorm Nov 2014 #5

it's o'reilly and Obama is a politician JI7 Nov 2014 #7

Exactly.. President Obama was pointing out what those Presidents achieved and ODSers weren't Cha Nov 2014 #10

The president did NOT say he was a conservative, he said in SOME WAYS he was LESS liberal, and what still_one Nov 2014 #12

I didn't say they were stupid, I said they were less smart than a box of rocks. Not the same at all. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #14

Pro-Choice, Supports fair pay act, Affirmative action, etc. Supports gay rights. Strongly opposes still_one Nov 2014 #18

I know...was that so hard? BeyondGeography Nov 2014 #32

Agree, it is a statement about how far right the country has moved LeftInTX Nov 2014 #63

This is one of those DU "battles" that is only being waged on one side Number23 Nov 2014 #100

I have no doubt that many here will read that comment as Obama saying he is a conservative, and THAT still_one Nov 2014 #11

Right. It's a statement about how far to the right the country has moved... Blanks Nov 2014 #15

Nixon did create OSHA and the EPA, and you are also correct the country has unfortunately been still_one Nov 2014 #19

Nixon did not create OSHA, Congress did. onenote Nov 2014 #50

Nixon signed the law establishing OSHA. Blanks Nov 2014 #84

Unquestionably, repubs are farther to the right on most issues than 40 years ago. onenote Nov 2014 #85

dems are farther right than repukes were 40 years ago Doctor_J Nov 2014 #87

No they're not. By a mile. onenote Nov 2014 #94

Turd way all the way. GeorgeGist Nov 2014 #16

No, you're wrong.. but don't let that stop you from dropping your "turd". Cha Nov 2014 #86

I don't need Obama to tell me he's conservative. Dawgs Nov 2014 #17

The problem is that we do see him how he is, but the right sees him how Fox says he is... cascadiance Nov 2014 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #43

Announcing yourself as "less liberal" is stigmatizing liberal positions. Marr Nov 2014 #67

Less Liberal than *Nixon* isn't Conservative? MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #77

Such a sad spectacle. Our party's "leader" going on the enemy propaganda channel to beg Doctor_J Nov 2014 #22

Yep fits to what Cornel West was saying JonLP24 Nov 2014 #25

Especially given the 2008 election Doctor_J Nov 2014 #36

Nah BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #74

+1 F4lconF16 Nov 2014 #83

Well, "sanctimonious" is not something I'm often called. Like, never, in fact Doctor_J Nov 2014 #88

I can't believe you praised Richard Nixon Capt. Obvious Nov 2014 #23

That makes me very sad! QC Nov 2014 #27

We should start a thread about it Capt. Obvious Nov 2014 #35

Lots of threads. With the word fuck in them. n/t QC Nov 2014 #39

I can't either Doctor_J Nov 2014 #38

Sometimes it helps to be a student of history. Baitball Blogger Nov 2014 #26

That interview was in February. I'm curious what your point is in highlighting it now. Demit Nov 2014 #28

I don't see how pointing out that President Obama agrees that he is in many ways less liberal than Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #30

I don't see any of your personal thoughts in your OP. Demit Nov 2014 #33

this has been a recent discussion over the last few days - nothing has been reignited - Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #34

You've added nothing to the discussion, is my point. YOU. Demit Nov 2014 #49

having the discussion factually based instead of emtionally based has some value - at least I think Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #53

The shit won't just stir itself. JoePhilly Nov 2014 #40

I don't consider the opinions of the President of the United States to be shit Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #56

Especially if we twist his every phrase. JoePhilly Nov 2014 #58

now exactly how is a word for word verbatim quote twisting his every phrase? Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #61

just an opportunity for another thread to bash Obama, and how he is worse than bush, etc. etc. etc. still_one Nov 2014 #52

if you consider the President's own opinion about his record to be bashing Obama - I don't know how Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #57

He never said he was Conservative. So that in itself is bullshit and a misrepresentation. In fact still_one Nov 2014 #60

I never said he was a conservative either. Frankly, by current standards he is a "centrist" Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #64

Obama on Univision: nationalize the fed Nov 2014 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author mimi85 Nov 2014 #95

that's right - allowing the President to speak for himself and define himself is bashing Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #105

Um, a bit of a failure to communicate. It won't happen again. ;-) mimi85 Nov 2014 #106

Best argument here is the logo on the post! Bernie Sanders for President - EXACTLY! TheNutcracker Nov 2014 #31

Am I supposed to get all worked up over what Obama thinks about himself? Rex Nov 2014 #42

IMO, it's just sad. HereSince1628 Nov 2014 #44

"Problem Statement" exhibit #1. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #45

At least Tricky Dick and President Obama looks more Presidential... Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #46

Are you fucking kidding me? BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #62

Pretzel logic. Rex Nov 2014 #66

that sums up what they think of issue oriented campaigns Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #69

It's particularly disturbing BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #72

You Vote Based On Looks? Liberal_Dog Nov 2014 #93

No, I vote based on having healthcare for the first time in my life. Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #98

Eisenhower was more liberal than the last 6 presidents combined! B Calm Nov 2014 #47

He was a dying breed imo. Rex Nov 2014 #68

Why is this President so ashamed of being Liberal? This isn't the first time he's tried to tell sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #48

Leftists are hated here BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #71

That's not entirely true BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #73

Perhaps BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #75

How dare he malign our president like that. JEB Nov 2014 #70

Racist, unicorn pony riding fantasy man! grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #103

the people who say "whatever he says, I believe because it has to be true" are also the ones MisterP Nov 2014 #76

And he was 100%, completely, objectively WRONG. Nixon was in NO WAY "more liberal" than Barack Obama. NYC Liberal Nov 2014 #79

Tempering expectations? whatchamacallit Nov 2014 #82

Like how many times did we say that ourselves? ozone_man Nov 2014 #96

People wonder why Senate candidates run away from Obama... DemocraticWing Nov 2014 #101

Still trying to qualify himself to the Republicans.... Sad. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #102

Hilarious. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #104

I said exactly this left is right Nov 2014 #108

kick woo me with science Nov 2014 #109