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pampango

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52. That's a large part of the reason. Also people don't really understand how unequal our income
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 06:09 PM
Nov 2014

distribution really is.

Krugman: New study shows Americans think income is much more equal here than in Europe. The opposite is true.

Inequality Delusions

Via the FT, a new study compares perceptions of inequality across advanced nations. The big takeaway here is that Americans are more likely than Europeans to believe that they live in a middle-class society, even though income is really much less equally distributed here than in Europe. I’ve truncated the table to show the comparison between the U.S. and France: the French think they live in a hierarchical pyramid when they are in reality mostly middle-class, Americans are the opposite.



As the paper says, other evidence also says that Americans vastly underestimate inequality in their own society – and when asked to choose an ideal wealth distribution, say that they like Sweden.

Why the difference? American exceptionalism when it comes to income distribution – our unique suspicion of and hostility to social insurance and anti-poverty programs – is, I and many others would argue, very much tied to our racial history. This does not, however, explain in any direct way why we should misperceive real inequality: people could oppose aid to Those People while understanding how rich the rich are. There may, however, be an indirect effect, because the racial divide empowers right-wing groups of all kinds, which in turn issue a lot of propaganda dismissing and minimizing inequality.

Interesting stuff.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/inequality-delusions/

It is interesting that Americans say they want a degree of income equality similar to what Sweden actually has, but we are not willing to adopt the taxation, labor and economic policies that Sweden has used to accomplish this.

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Americans hate poor people. [View all] Yavin4 Nov 2014 OP
I have personal experience with that. Kingofalldems Nov 2014 #1
Our brand of capitalism is a brilliant system Ron Green Nov 2014 #2
^^^THIS^^^ Tom Ripley Nov 2014 #58
Well said. (no text) Quantess Nov 2014 #71
A sad truth. n/t 99Forever Nov 2014 #3
Yep BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #4
And since so many are poor, they actually hate themselves? Maybe. Rex Nov 2014 #5
They hate the poor because they are afraid of becoming poor. n/t FSogol Nov 2014 #6
No, They're afraid of being correctly identified as poor. Yavin4 Nov 2014 #8
Crazy Lurker Deluxe Nov 2014 #18
OWING more that you OWN puts your net worth at 0 or in negative territory Yavin4 Nov 2014 #44
That does not make you poor Lurker Deluxe Nov 2014 #50
Individuals, corporations, and govrerment are not the same. Yavin4 Nov 2014 #51
Okay ... Lurker Deluxe Nov 2014 #57
Rebuttal Yavin4 Nov 2014 #59
Again Lurker Deluxe Nov 2014 #62
The couple in your example have a $250 K a year revenue stream. They have ASSETS to offset their Yavin4 Nov 2014 #66
You are correct. Remember when Hillary (whom I am not supporting at this time) was talking about jwirr Nov 2014 #28
So sayeth Master Yoda Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #31
Yep. The ugly side of the American Dream. TDale313 Nov 2014 #7
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #20
The religious aspect plays a large role in that hate. I have felt it first hand. I had an ace in the jwirr Nov 2014 #33
Americans? leftofcool Nov 2014 #9
In general poor and low income people feel this-you are probably an exception Stargazer99 Nov 2014 #10
if you ever become poor you will eventually understand Stargazer99 Nov 2014 #11
So True. Basic LA Nov 2014 #12
That's why the income inequality argument falls on deaf ears Yavin4 Nov 2014 #13
Deaf Ears. Basic LA Nov 2014 #17
That's a large part of the reason. Also people don't really understand how unequal our income pampango Nov 2014 #52
They don't care. Basic LA Nov 2014 #54
When it is based on religious beliefs they go so far as to see the poor and "weak" as someone who jwirr Nov 2014 #34
And many white, rural poor hate nonwhite poor Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #36
Because we fear the poor, and poverty, recognizing powerlessness when we see it. Orsino Nov 2014 #14
Worse. Americans think they're going to be rich Niko Nov 2014 #15
By the way - wasn't the plumber running for office somewhere? Did he win? jwirr Nov 2014 #35
He ran for Congress but lost... PoliticAverse Nov 2014 #45
Thank God for one favor. We do not have to put up with him. jwirr Nov 2014 #53
Exactly. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #16
Frugal doesn't make an economy The2ndWheel Nov 2014 #19
Yep.I go into peoples houses (computer tech). I'll pull up in a very nice neighborhood, go inside .. BlueJazz Nov 2014 #42
You can blame that on Calvinism Spider Jerusalem Nov 2014 #21
Yep. There's a whole strain of Chritianity based on those notions. GoCubsGo Nov 2014 #43
It's pre-destination... devils chaplain Nov 2014 #49
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #22
And thus most Americans hate themselves daredtowork Nov 2014 #23
Also let me say this is a dam good reason to support unions. Rex Nov 2014 #24
And with Industrial Unions they would control the jobs that make them. jtuck004 Nov 2014 #26
And a lot more people would be poor. A living wage is one of the goals of union. Without that goal jwirr Nov 2014 #37
We are TAUGHT to hate, and loathe, "poor people". Partly by using "poor people" jtuck004 Nov 2014 #25
Good point. jwirr Nov 2014 #38
And most are one or two generations from family LuckyLib Nov 2014 #27
Americans respect rich people. Octafish Nov 2014 #29
Which rich people, though? Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #39
Great Post Long Drive Nov 2014 #68
Many Americans live on the financial edge and put on a good show to others they are OK. This, RKP5637 Nov 2014 #30
i know struggling people who hate the poor , THEY are not like THEM JI7 Nov 2014 #32
Thank you for this op. I suspect that this attitude is part of the reason we lost this election. It jwirr Nov 2014 #40
Love Thy nieghbor...... Burf-_- Nov 2014 #41
Altogether too many Americans are not only shallow, but vindictive on top of it world wide wally Nov 2014 #46
Americans all think they are going to be rich. They don't get the kairos12 Nov 2014 #47
We HAVE to challenge this, I think if the choice was between majority power or no anti-poor attitude ck4829 Nov 2014 #48
Then there are those that even while they hate the poor... Kalidurga Nov 2014 #55
thus the need for the FDR PARTY in politics grasswire Nov 2014 #56
You get a damn skippy from me on this. MrScorpio Nov 2014 #60
I've seen more scorn thrown at the poor right on DU TorchTheWitch Nov 2014 #61
People are so terrified by them they convince themselves it's their fault. nolabear Nov 2014 #63
I crossed this country numerous times while nilesobek Nov 2014 #64
+1000 N/T UglyGreed Nov 2014 #65
When they should be directing their anger at cheap labor conservatives! B Calm Nov 2014 #67
You can't talk about America's hatred of the poor without talking about its protestant work ethic AZ Progressive Nov 2014 #69
Great post. And the poor have been taught to hate themselves ProfessorPlum Nov 2014 #70
I think you're oversimplifying it... MadDAsHell Nov 2014 #72
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