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65. My response? The things on that list were

Wed Nov 12, 2014, 01:16 AM

Nov 2014

happening before I was born and will likely continue after I die. I think war is disgusting and I cannot stand the thought of innocent people dying in my name and with my tax dollars. But again, this country started off as and continues to be a violent war machine. One president cannot change that without a stable LEFT LEANING/ PRO-PEACE majority.

The things that can change, and DID change, however, are in jeopardy now because of clowns much like the author of that hit piece who don't seem to understand cause and effect. Healthcare, my rights over my OWN body, my right to vote, etc., things that ARE CHANGING AS I TYPE due to right wingers taking control. The points on that list will NEVER be addressed as long as people don't understand that a president is not a dictator and cannot single-handedly change centuries of tradition by him/herself.

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"President Obama Has Earned Our Disapproval" The Atlantic, Nov 2014 [View all] RiverLover Nov 2014 OP

Agree completely. truebluegreen Nov 2014 #1

anyone who says my "tribalism" has overcome my "moral compass" has pretty much lost my attention arely staircase Nov 2014 #2

No prob. Appreciate your honesty!! RiverLover Nov 2014 #3

thanks arely staircase Nov 2014 #4

Really? Can You Be Any More Disingenuous? billhicks76 Nov 2014 #33

Ahem......" fuck this guy" is aimed at the journo , not the poster...hence no " Flag" option. Nt pkdu Nov 2014 #51

+1 eom. 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #101

What a freaking surprise AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #131

What are you talking about? eom. 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #136

+1. freshwest Nov 2014 #21

Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #32

No, he and I disagree with the assessment. We have no reason to be ashamed. Nt stevenleser Nov 2014 #41

LMFAO L0oniX Nov 2014 #44

You should delete that before the jury seats. L0oniX Nov 2014 #43

Me too! sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #98

It doesn't bother me because it doesn't apply to me. If someone I love is doing something wrong sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #37

"moral compass" is a critical issue.. truth2power Nov 2014 #80

You are wrong TshaiRedhair Nov 2014 #56

It's very telling that if Bush was doing these, all of us would be up in arms. alarimer Nov 2014 #5

+1 840high Nov 2014 #24

They Are Blind To The Fact billhicks76 Nov 2014 #38

the hypocrisy displayed by many DUers is utterly DISGUSTING Skittles Nov 2014 #62

Can you kindly provide ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #70

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #89

Items 1, 2 and 5 LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #96

Yes, yes, of course. NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #142

You asked for, and I provided, examples LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #163

Look, it's simple. NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #165

Glad you approve of torture AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #133

Despite your user name ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #140

You can respond however you want AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #147

Like I said ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #150

hear hear nt arely staircase Nov 2014 #148

This is what it all comes down to right here LittleBlue Nov 2014 #130

When reports emerged earlier this year that the CIA had spied upon the KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #6

At least Watergate was perpetrated by Nixon's personal cabal, not the aparatus of the state. nt Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #12

One of the principal charges laid to Nixon, though, was that he used the CIA KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #13

"The only reason the Republicans haven't made hay over it is... Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #14

I've voted Dem in every election since 1980 (including this past Tuesday), but KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #15

Exactly....And Read The Nation Article. billhicks76 Nov 2014 #42

Did the Atlantic write the same stuff about Bush when he did the Nay Nov 2014 #7

The Atlantic is a weird bird, too sane to hew to the NeoCon line religiously but KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #8

Many. Here's my favorite~ "Classify This" RiverLover Nov 2014 #9

Here are 20 more articles under "The George Bush Years" RiverLover Nov 2014 #10

Then I give them a pass. They're consistent! Nay Nov 2014 #11

as are the liberals at du. unlike the fan club Doctor_J Nov 2014 #25

Many did not dare speak up at that time. People were getting booted off of tv for speaking truth. L0oniX Nov 2014 #46

K and R bigwillq Nov 2014 #16

The article title is misleading; this is simply the individual opinion of this author. kwassa Nov 2014 #17

Mahalo kwassa.. Please check out my post if you care to. :) Cha Nov 2014 #20

"Holder's Legacy: Steering Away From the Drug War" and It's not all bad.. but, I understand there Cha Nov 2014 #18

Yeah, Obama and Holder deserve probably a "B" on drug war issues. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #27

I would give them a b+ maybe a- on the drug war arely staircase Nov 2014 #99

Each point made in the OP can be refuted as well as you do on the Holder legacy .... kwassa Nov 2014 #30

Excellent post, Cha... Spazito Nov 2014 #143

I tend to agree. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #19

Fuck the Atlantic mwrguy Nov 2014 #22

It is a complete distortion still_one Nov 2014 #103

I'm thinking that... OilemFirchen Nov 2014 #23

+1!! Cha Nov 2014 #29

Mahola Cha! OilemFirchen Nov 2014 #31

Hey, Sweetie.. It's Mahalo! During the campaign I was always writing.. "Dakato" as in South Dakota! Cha Nov 2014 #34

It's my Ohio accent. OilemFirchen Nov 2014 #39

Have I told you this week that I love you? Number23 Nov 2014 #64

Finally! OilemFirchen Nov 2014 #83

+1 treestar Nov 2014 #85

Exactly... SidDithers Nov 2014 #144

Valid, but I can't imagine a viable candidate who would have done otherwise bhikkhu Nov 2014 #26

Yes, it would take a President with political courage. Maedhros Nov 2014 #35

No, it would take someone with zero courage stevenleser Nov 2014 #45

So we should tolerate government misdeeds to avoid problems. Got it. Scuba Nov 2014 #100

Just as performing surgery in stages ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #107

Huh? So tolerating government misdeeds is actually not tolerating them? WTF? Scuba Nov 2014 #111

That's not what I said ... Read it again ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #119

If that's supposed to be a defense of the President, it's a pretty lame one. Scuba Nov 2014 #123

Lame? Maybe ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #127

Cool story, bro. Scuba Nov 2014 #128

Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #129

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #104

And then there's Mitt.... defacto7 Nov 2014 #28

If Romney were elected and had done the exact same things, Maedhros Nov 2014 #36

The shrugging and ignoring defacto7 Nov 2014 #49

I stand by my statement. Maedhros Nov 2014 #57

At least defacto7 Nov 2014 #63

"He's better than{fill in the Republican}" . . . markpkessinger Nov 2014 #153

Lol. Good thing assholes like this won't write the history books. nt Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #40

And look at some of the expressions of support from some folks. I said a few days ago stevenleser Nov 2014 #48

Who reads the Atlantic? redstateblues Nov 2014 #47

Better question: OilemFirchen Nov 2014 #53

Looks like a large number of people read The Atlantic, probably because it's a quality publication. Maedhros Nov 2014 #105

That American citizen who was killed "without due process" cheapdate Nov 2014 #50

Mahalo cheapdate..exactly. Conor Friedersdorf looks like an idiot up on his high horse pontificating Cha Nov 2014 #71

Is that the guy whose son got killed too? nt julio_maracas Nov 2014 #74

Yes. The son was in Yemen reportedly looking for his father. cheapdate Nov 2014 #88

If it's so cut and dry, why not have due process? Man from Pickens Nov 2014 #79

Anwar Al Awlaki pushes the argument for due process to the very limit. cheapdate Nov 2014 #91

All of the allegations you claim in your post are unproven and were fed to you by the Pentagon Maedhros Nov 2014 #108

That's consistent, at least. cheapdate Nov 2014 #132

"spied on every American" zappaman Nov 2014 #52

You should see the dossier he has on my four-month-old great-niece. OilemFirchen Nov 2014 #54

Makes Santa and God look like underachievers zappaman Nov 2014 #55

Yep, according to the OP.. Pres Obama is right up there with God and Santa Claus! LOLOLOLOL Cha Nov 2014 #59

Mahalo Cha! zappaman Nov 2014 #60

Rolf.. this sounds like it was written by Edward freakin Snowden. Cha Nov 2014 #58

It looks like he did. Here's ACLU's take on it~ RiverLover Nov 2014 #72

When it comes to that issue, exaggeration is essential treestar Nov 2014 #86

Yes. LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #97

I do hope he meant sarcasm DonCoquixote Nov 2014 #61

I think you misread. grasswire Nov 2014 #68

My response? The things on that list were ecstatic Nov 2014 #65

Attitudes like yours are disgusting. Maedhros Nov 2014 #112

which amendments are you referring to? ecstatic Nov 2014 #154

Misses the mark completely on turd way financial complicity, failure to prosecute war crimes. on point Nov 2014 #66

yes, I noticed that no financial criminals were mentioned. nt grasswire Nov 2014 #67

Totally agree ~nt RiverLover Nov 2014 #73

well, now you'll be getting more of your alternative. Get back to me in a year world wide wally Nov 2014 #69

Conor Friedersdorf. LOL...nt SidDithers Nov 2014 #75

He's not a civil libertarian President Depaysement Nov 2014 #76

They'd be carving his face on mt Rushmore JoePhilly Nov 2014 #78

Killing bin Laden alone would have done the trick... Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #92

YUP. JoePhilly Nov 2014 #94

Who needs civil liberties anyway, amirite? Maedhros Nov 2014 #115

Another hit piece and and another group of Dems agree - No wonder the Republicans won the elections liberal N proud Nov 2014 #77

So you're in favor of those actions? Savannahmann Nov 2014 #81

I've found, with almost no deviation, the more one's user name Maedhros Nov 2014 #117

Those same Dems didn't blink an eye regarding the astrocities that Bill Clinton Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #93

The author of this piece is an apologist for homophobes if not a homophobe himself.... Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #82

He is a right wing shrill. Look it up on wiki still_one Nov 2014 #110

7 false overgeneralized accusations treestar Nov 2014 #84

There is no error so monstrous that it fails to find defenders among the ablest men. Lord Acton Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #87

We are a united oligarchy, not a gridlocked democracy. woo me with science Nov 2014 #90

Excellent, if depressing summary, woo. k&r, nt appal_jack Nov 2014 #124

1: It was written before Election Day Old Nick Nov 2014 #95

Connor friedersdor is a right wing shrill. still_one Nov 2014 #109

Obama lost me when he shoved Romneycare down our throats. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #102

It would have been better to have nothing right? So children and uninsured got covered, and still_one Nov 2014 #106

First, he could have done it with reconcilliation. Second, Leiberman has a price-tag, obviously, grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #114

First ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #125

You can always express your distaste by foregoing the evil that is the ACA. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #113

That's not what I said. It was a marginal step forward, thanks to Sen Sanders, but the opportunity grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #121

Now, 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #126

Oh yes, he lost me with the marginal step forward. Why? grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #151

Okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #152

It was much more than a marginal step. Susan Collins, the so-called moderate republican voted still_one Nov 2014 #134

The reason he had the brief window was BECAUSE of the Crapsurance law he passed! grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #168

They weren't going to get that. The blue dogs would NOT have voted for it, and neither would still_one Nov 2014 #169

Then pay him more! Simple math. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #170

would not have worked, it was more than lieberman. We just disagree that's all still_one Nov 2014 #171

Yes. I firmly believe that anyone who can be bought and sold, can be bought and sold! grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #172

ok still_one Nov 2014 #173

Damned hard to disagree. hifiguy Nov 2014 #116

What does Obama stand for, if not for the items on that list? BlueStreak Nov 2014 #118

" If we weren't going to get any Republican votes, then why not do something that Democrats actually grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #122

Tell us how you really feel..come on, you're holding back... RiverLover Nov 2014 #156

That's the same list the BOG has for why the are in love with Obama. DesMoinesDem Nov 2014 #120

I don't know if you are from Iowa or Wisconsin, but in either case the midterms sure indicated still_one Nov 2014 #137

Mahalo still_one.. some just can't wrap their heads around the fact that the President has Cha Nov 2014 #145

.Mahalo right back at you Cha. Your points are right on still_one Nov 2014 #149

Classic selective evaluation gmb92 Nov 2014 #135

Exactly still_one Nov 2014 #139

Why would anyone give this person, the writer of the opinion, a nanosecond of attention... Spazito Nov 2014 #138

The writer is a right winger. still_one Nov 2014 #155

Yep, a Paulite it seems... Spazito Nov 2014 #157

He admitted freely to his right wing leanings in an interview related on Wiki still_one Nov 2014 #159

Jeez, attack the messenger. He wrote this also "British Liberty is Under Threat" RiverLover Nov 2014 #158

He admits it himself he leans to the right, and votes libertarian. So yes, he is a right winger. still_one Nov 2014 #160

OK ~nt RiverLover Nov 2014 #161

Perhaps my phrasing right winger is a big strong, but leaning to the right, a libertarian, and a still_one Nov 2014 #162

A bit too simplistic Babel_17 Nov 2014 #141

I think it's utterly insane. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #146

The "Seattle Police Department" has Drones easychoice Nov 2014 #164

Sorry, I didn't read the full article Catherine Vincent Nov 2014 #166

kick woo me with science Nov 2014 #167