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In reply to the discussion: Americans hate poor people. [View all]AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)69. You can't talk about America's hatred of the poor without talking about its protestant work ethic
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/opinion/sunday/are-americans-still-puritan.html?_r=0
"Not all of the legacy of Puritanism suggests moral uprightness. Studies since the 70s have also found that Americans who score high on a Protestant Ethic Scale (emphasizing self-reliance and self-discipline) or similar metric show marked prejudice against racial minorities and the poor; hostility toward social welfare efforts; and, among obese women, self-denigration.
"Why the persistence of Puritanism in American life? New England exercised a disproportionate influence on American ideals, the historian John Coffey says, thanks to a powerful intellectual tradition disseminated through its universities, its dynamic print culture and the writings of its famous clergy. He also notes the power of Evangelicalism as a carrier of Puritan values and Americas resistance, compared with other largely Protestant nations, to secularization."
Max Weber argued a century ago that America's success was due to its protestantism, that the protestant work ethic (first brought by the Puritans) is why America became great. In particular, this work ethic first started with Calvinism and predestination, that everyone was already chosen by God whether they will have salvation or damnation, and one would be able to see if they were chosen for salvation by their levels of prosperity. Thus everyone had an incentive to prove that they have salvation by working hard and being prosperous. If someone is poor and in need, they were damned and that was God's will. In short, it's part of America's culture to reward prosperity and denigrate the poor. It wasn't always like this, as the Democratic Party has fought this through history, but it seems like it has roots in America, and primarily when the Republicans and other assholes of this country get power and promote their worldviews.
"Not all of the legacy of Puritanism suggests moral uprightness. Studies since the 70s have also found that Americans who score high on a Protestant Ethic Scale (emphasizing self-reliance and self-discipline) or similar metric show marked prejudice against racial minorities and the poor; hostility toward social welfare efforts; and, among obese women, self-denigration.
"Why the persistence of Puritanism in American life? New England exercised a disproportionate influence on American ideals, the historian John Coffey says, thanks to a powerful intellectual tradition disseminated through its universities, its dynamic print culture and the writings of its famous clergy. He also notes the power of Evangelicalism as a carrier of Puritan values and Americas resistance, compared with other largely Protestant nations, to secularization."
Max Weber argued a century ago that America's success was due to its protestantism, that the protestant work ethic (first brought by the Puritans) is why America became great. In particular, this work ethic first started with Calvinism and predestination, that everyone was already chosen by God whether they will have salvation or damnation, and one would be able to see if they were chosen for salvation by their levels of prosperity. Thus everyone had an incentive to prove that they have salvation by working hard and being prosperous. If someone is poor and in need, they were damned and that was God's will. In short, it's part of America's culture to reward prosperity and denigrate the poor. It wasn't always like this, as the Democratic Party has fought this through history, but it seems like it has roots in America, and primarily when the Republicans and other assholes of this country get power and promote their worldviews.
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The couple in your example have a $250 K a year revenue stream. They have ASSETS to offset their
Yavin4
Nov 2014
#66
You are correct. Remember when Hillary (whom I am not supporting at this time) was talking about
jwirr
Nov 2014
#28
The religious aspect plays a large role in that hate. I have felt it first hand. I had an ace in the
jwirr
Nov 2014
#33
In general poor and low income people feel this-you are probably an exception
Stargazer99
Nov 2014
#10
That's a large part of the reason. Also people don't really understand how unequal our income
pampango
Nov 2014
#52
When it is based on religious beliefs they go so far as to see the poor and "weak" as someone who
jwirr
Nov 2014
#34
Because we fear the poor, and poverty, recognizing powerlessness when we see it.
Orsino
Nov 2014
#14
Yep.I go into peoples houses (computer tech). I'll pull up in a very nice neighborhood, go inside ..
BlueJazz
Nov 2014
#42
And a lot more people would be poor. A living wage is one of the goals of union. Without that goal
jwirr
Nov 2014
#37
We are TAUGHT to hate, and loathe, "poor people". Partly by using "poor people"
jtuck004
Nov 2014
#25
Many Americans live on the financial edge and put on a good show to others they are OK. This,
RKP5637
Nov 2014
#30
Thank you for this op. I suspect that this attitude is part of the reason we lost this election. It
jwirr
Nov 2014
#40
Altogether too many Americans are not only shallow, but vindictive on top of it
world wide wally
Nov 2014
#46
We HAVE to challenge this, I think if the choice was between majority power or no anti-poor attitude
ck4829
Nov 2014
#48
You can't talk about America's hatred of the poor without talking about its protestant work ethic
AZ Progressive
Nov 2014
#69