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greatlaurel

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73. Your statement about class stratification hits the nail on the head. Thanks.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 07:07 PM
Nov 2014

There are lots of people who can become plumbers and other skilled tradespeople and enjoy the work, but you still have to go to school and do an apprenticeship. Have a couple of friends' kids who went to trade schools. It was more expensive per year than my kids' college expenses.

Besides that, how many jobs are really out there for skilled tradespeople? Sure there is a demand for skilled trades, but those jobs cannot be enough for every working class kid. This is such a condescending attitude from another obscenely rich guy who is surrounded with people dedicated to telling him what a mental giant he is. He has no idea what he is talking about. Secondly, it is clear by his statement that he feels certain that all that money sending most of us to college is a big waste of money. If we were so smart, we would already be billionaires like him. In his tiny weird world, the only children worth educating are only the ones born into money, of course.

If your kids are in junior high or high school, there are ways to get scholarships at a lot of state and even private schools. Have they taken the ACT or SAT yet? At Ohio University, if they score a 32 ACT(do not remember the SAT score, it is on their website) they can get a Gateway scholarship that covers 100% of tuition. That is a tough score to reach, but most kids have a shot at getting a score close enough to get a partial Gateway. I am certain many other universities have similar programs. Living expenses are still expensive, but there are additional aid packages and scholarships. Of course, loans are available, but the goal is to minimize that option as much as possible. You should check with all your state schools on the financial aid available for your kids. Another thing to check out are branch campuses. Here in Ohio the state schools have branch campuses which are much less expensive than the main campuses and are within commuting distances, so kids can save money on living expenses, while they get their first or second year courses out of the way. Not as much fun as living on campus, but still a good way to get an education. The classes are usually taught by faculty who are really interested in teaching, too, another bonus for branch campuses. The OU branch near us gives kids full tuition scholarships if they score a 25 on the ACT.

One other thing is if you can swing it have the kids take both the ACT and SAT to see which they score better on. They are not limited to taking it just once, so they can work to better their scores, without stressing out so much. The best thing to do is have them take it early in high school or late middle school, so you know where they are. Both ACT and SAT have practice questions on their websites, so kids can review on their own. A lot of rich people send their kids to test prep classes, but we could not have afforded it even if it was available here(very rural area).

I hate it when people denigrate getting an education. A college education is about so much more than a job training program. Young people can gain so many skills other than just getting a job. Meeting people from myriad backgrounds, learning how to study and reason are all very important reasons to further an education. The costs have become horrible thanks to the GOP slashing state support for public universities. I wish people would wake up and stop drinking the Koolaid about an education being of no use for us working class folks.

Good luck to you and your kids.

Sorry for the long post. Hope it gives you some ideas for your kids. Congratulations on getting through school during the Reagan years. That was not a fun time to scramble through school.

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plumbers make more than a lot of college grads tk2kewl Nov 2014 #1
yep. Everyone wants to be a lawyer or stock broker - LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #3
Not sneered at as much anymore as English lit majors and PhD candidates. Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #78
I have much greater respect for plumbers, electricians, etc., LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #79
Not boob docs Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #83
FYI: Cosby is also a total sleaze bag, a serial sexual harasser of the worst sort. Blech. bettyellen Nov 2014 #123
they are afraid of getting dirty krawhitham Nov 2014 #118
No one gets looked down upon more than liberal arts majors Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #140
So you're changing careers then? tenderfoot Nov 2014 #12
if i could go back and be a plumber from the beginning, i might tk2kewl Nov 2014 #14
And there's absolutely nothing wrong with being a plumber deutsey Nov 2014 #17
THIS RIGHT HERE ^^^^, said better than I did in my OP. nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #21
Yep. Same attitude underwrites his 2A philosophy. Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #60
Your statement about class stratification hits the nail on the head. Thanks. greatlaurel Nov 2014 #73
All well and good, but a livable-wage "good" job is still mandatory. Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #80
So sorry you do not find other people interesting. greatlaurel Nov 2014 #104
Thanks...+1 deutsey Nov 2014 #94
Glad your kids are doing well. Do check out the ideas on academic scholarships. greatlaurel Nov 2014 #103
I don't mind if it's nursing school or an EE degree Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #84
Yeah, when I went to college deutsey Nov 2014 #92
Oh I get it now, if a subject is not something you think will make money then it is not worth it. greatlaurel Nov 2014 #105
An Independent plumber maybe Catherine Vincent Nov 2014 #81
that depends on if it's union tk2kewl Nov 2014 #113
There is a rather classist attitude that the trades are "below" white-collar jobs. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #97
It's actually a great idea. Union plumbers in NYC =$60/hr. JaneyVee Nov 2014 #2
Until the same billionaires kill the unions, at least. Orsino Nov 2014 #18
However, your job can be done by 'guest' workers or cheap imported Nay Nov 2014 #46
ibew unionthug777 Nov 2014 #69
ibew 596 spyker29 Nov 2014 #76
Plus at the end of the day you don't usually take work or stress home! Red State Rebel Nov 2014 #121
Do you know this from experience? BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #128
We've got an oversupply Proud Public Servant Nov 2014 #4
It's because people were told that college was THE way to the Middle Class. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #98
What's wrong with being a plumber? sharp_stick Nov 2014 #5
I didn't say there was anything wrong with it, and you have missed my point. I worked next ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #7
Ideas about what? Transcendental poets and the philosophy of Star Trek? Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #86
Most plumbers I see are private business people. upaloopa Nov 2014 #8
My nephew- in-law is a UNION plumber HockeyMom Nov 2014 #29
Nothing wrong with being a plumber. Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #6
Didn't say there was. That wasn't the point of my pointing out what a 1%er's idea of what we proles ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #11
Mario and Luigi need their pound of flesh. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #99
Better a plumber than a barista with six-figure college debt. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #9
"Well, the world needs ditch diggers too." FSogol Nov 2014 #10
Fed my kids' digging thousands of feet of ditches, thank you. nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #24
"If you don't get good grades, you'll end up digging ditches" MindPilot Nov 2014 #28
I've been saying that for years... TreasonousBastard Nov 2014 #13
Welcome to -- FALSE DICHOTOMY! immoderate Nov 2014 #15
If everyone decided to become Plumbers then dilby Nov 2014 #16
True - there's the lack of ability to outsource treestar Nov 2014 #47
Plumbers can't be outsourced. hifiguy Nov 2014 #19
They can, however BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #42
Why not, indeed. Plumbers make bank. nt Dreamer Tatum Nov 2014 #20
Duetsey said it upthread better than I did in my OP: ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #22
Not everyone needs college Dreamer Tatum Nov 2014 #61
And Bloomberg's Attitude. . . ProfessorGAC Nov 2014 #130
If everyone went into those skilled labor positions BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #23
Doncha just love it when the monied elite hand down advice to their lessers? MindPilot Nov 2014 #25
This ^^^ geardaddy Nov 2014 #55
What's wrong with being a plumber AND going to college? Depaysement Nov 2014 #26
Ummm..... a six figure student loan debt, perhaps? (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #27
Me? My degree is in Medieval Art History... MindPilot Nov 2014 #33
Thank you for making me feel exceptional! Depaysement Nov 2014 #48
People don't want to be in debt up to their eyeballs? Odin2005 Nov 2014 #100
That's the problem. RedCappedBandit Nov 2014 #126
My exact first thought/ RedCappedBandit Nov 2014 #125
Man this is actually bothering me now BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #30
as the son of a plumber DonCoquixote Nov 2014 #31
yeah that is an element BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #37
Nobody's going to sneak into power getting bullshit degrees. Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #88
Ah the resentment just seeps through whatthehey Nov 2014 #119
Bloomberg is a billionaire BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #136
I disagree. I think he's right. chrisa Nov 2014 #32
i see nothing wrong with it, plumbers could also more easily start their own business JI7 Nov 2014 #34
Welcome to Scrooge's America! cascadiance Nov 2014 #35
It was just a suggestion for kids to consider.......and a very good one, at that. WillowTree Nov 2014 #36
Good? For who? BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #38
I don't begin to know what you're talking about. WillowTree Nov 2014 #41
Hm, alright BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #45
What a bunch of bullshit joeglow3 Nov 2014 #132
Yeah and it would be true BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #134
President Obama has advocated EXACTLY this same thing joeglow3 Nov 2014 #138
What are you talking about? BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #139
You claimed the mayor's comment was a negative comment joeglow3 Nov 2014 #141
Ok BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #142
What do you think illegal immigrants do to these fields? joeglow3 Nov 2014 #143
yeah? BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #144
I still think it is good advice joeglow3 Nov 2014 #145
I think I'd rather hear how we could alleviate student debt and protect us from outsourcing... cascadiance Nov 2014 #43
Oh. So you think that those working in the trades are living a "LOWER END reality"? WillowTree Nov 2014 #51
Like others have said here, I am not saying this, but I think Bloomberg is saying this! cascadiance Nov 2014 #91
Bam! geardaddy Nov 2014 #57
Why not become a revolutionary instead of some billionaire's lackey? - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #39
At the same time, they want to raise retirement age to 70 or more. alarimer Nov 2014 #40
Lots of billionaires didn't go to college Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #44
Is that the measure of a man? WinkyDink Nov 2014 #53
It's a measure of success. Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #54
The 1% sees danger in much education and freedom of thought and freedom of expression. blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #49
very true; I was a college-educated auto mechanic -- a real misfit MindPilot Nov 2014 #58
What a bunch of shit. Dreamer Tatum Nov 2014 #62
Thank goodness people don't listen to politicians Kalidurga Nov 2014 #50
Funny how the wealthy send their scions not to trade schools but to the Ivys; not to the job market WinkyDink Nov 2014 #52
Will there still be UglyGreed Nov 2014 #56
Judge Smails: "The world needs ditch diggers too." badtoworse Nov 2014 #59
Once the Republicans start removing those pesky regulations procon Nov 2014 #63
One thing about plumbers... their jobs can never be outsourced to India or China (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #64
During Bush some rich asshole suggested people go to butler school.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #65
The uber wealthy ought to be taxed out of existence. hunter Nov 2014 #66
I guess it all depends on what you want in life. Vinca Nov 2014 #67
I have an MEd in Adult Community Education, among others) and 20 years as a repair plumber. jtuck004 Nov 2014 #68
Hope that Micheal doesn't develop a need for a plumber... Thor_MN Nov 2014 #70
with the degree inflation caused by treating college as a revenue stream plumbers will soon MisterP Nov 2014 #71
Not a bad idea really. I made a lot of money with my degree and the ballyhoo Nov 2014 #72
He might as well have said "Let them eat cake". Initech Nov 2014 #74
Better than saying let them make burgers. Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #85
For some people it is the best option One_Life_To_Give Nov 2014 #75
A professional office? What about all the Renaissance Art majors Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #82
There's no reason an art history major can't then learn to be a plumber Recursion Nov 2014 #90
if they have to worry about paying off college loans JI7 Nov 2014 #101
Trade school isn't for everybody Art_from_Ark Nov 2014 #117
Well, it's up to the person Recursion Nov 2014 #129
you seem really hung up on this BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #108
I'd love to plumb their homes with some lead pipes. nt Ilsa Nov 2014 #77
I'm all for it! obxhead Nov 2014 #87
Except that isn't Bloomberg or his ilk's game BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #135
You'll probably make better money (nt) Recursion Nov 2014 #89
Why not do both? surrealAmerican Nov 2014 #93
How about Bloomberg become worm food. JEB Nov 2014 #95
There is a shortage of skilled tradespeople in this country... Odin2005 Nov 2014 #96
There's two things to say here Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #102
My BIL didn't go to college and became a plumber abelenkpe Nov 2014 #106
There is also that Libertarian davidpdx Nov 2014 #107
Me and plumbing don't get along. Not everyone can be a plumber, the same B Calm Nov 2014 #109
I know a plumber that drives a Rolls Royce AngryAmish Nov 2014 #110
Try an electrician. Mine just charged me $40.00 per quarter hour for work in my home. mfcorey1 Nov 2014 #111
Well, why not? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2014 #112
Hey Mr. Bloomberg! I graduated college and... meaculpa2011 Nov 2014 #114
While I share LWolf Nov 2014 #115
Plumber, electrician, HVAC/R, carpenter, welding, mechanic... Kaleva Nov 2014 #116
I agree with Bloomberg WestCoastLib Nov 2014 #120
I Happen RobinA Nov 2014 #122
Why the fuck should our young people have to make that choice? RedCappedBandit Nov 2014 #124
Median plumber income is 49k BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #127
Median income for people with a bachelor's degree is 46K WestCoastLib Nov 2014 #131
Yeah BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #133
Billionaires need to just STFU . . . Brigid Nov 2014 #137
College is highly overrated and discriminatory Reter Nov 2014 #146
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