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Hestia

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166. In int'l news the last couple of weeks, there has been uneasiness about the pollution popping up

Wed Nov 12, 2014, 08:20 PM

Nov 2014

around Beijing and other parts of China. This is on top of the current uprising. People are starting to call in sick to work when it is really bad, which is astounding. China has its own reasons to stop the generating of pollutants leading to GW in their own backyard; in order to prove to its citizens that they are taking air quality & GW seriously. (I have no idea what the "A" in AGW means so I do not use that acronym, if I am wrong so be it.)

Now...whether something will be actually done about it, WTFK. Koch's won this election so we don't know what is going to happen - maybe one of them (or both) will kick off (sooner than later) (smib). If there is a vacuum in leadership, we can all start to enact policies, hurriedly, until they get their act together. If not, I see business as usual, with growth at 2-4%. No change in anything. Same ol same ol

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BREAKING: The US and China Just Announced a Huge Deal on Climate�and it's a Gamechanger [View all] Cha Nov 2014 OP

Can I a K..an I.. a C.. another K!? KICK! Cha Nov 2014 #1

Look, this news has Cha sputtering almost incoherently! ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #7

No, that's just my normal sputtering! Cha Nov 2014 #11

Good! Now if they could just stop all the toxic air coming from Russia, we just might get a handle William769 Nov 2014 #2

Yeah, the toxic Hot air coming Cha Nov 2014 #5

Hmm...'Kochsters'.... Segami Nov 2014 #3

Au contraire, Segami.. It's the Billionaire Climate Change Deniers Club.. :( Cha Nov 2014 #9

China just said they won't Peak until 2030 FreakinDJ Nov 2014 #77

That was my take away as well. GummyBearz Nov 2014 #104

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #132

In int'l news the last couple of weeks, there has been uneasiness about the pollution popping up Hestia Nov 2014 #166

The article is clear on what the US is doing to reduce emissions... woolldog Nov 2014 #4

Indeed. Great news. But with China, how do we trust but verify? eom BP2 Nov 2014 #6

Hey BP.. I'll give this link to you that I posted to wooldog on China.. thanks Cha Nov 2014 #17

There's nothing to verify Yupster Nov 2014 #109

What China does depends a lot upon us. earthside Nov 2014 #13

Exactly. nt SunSeeker Nov 2014 #156

With all the grumbling from the populace about the air pollution that is out of control Hestia Nov 2014 #170

From the link of John Kerry's OP in the NYT, wooldog Cha Nov 2014 #14

Not even that, it gave a number on US reduction that comes with magic beans as the answer to how. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #87

Whoa! Really? Independent_Liberal Nov 2014 #8

Consider yourself pinched, Independent_Liberal! :) Cha Nov 2014 #21

That's certainly a good thing mythology Nov 2014 #10

I have no doubt about it. lpbk2713 Nov 2014 #15

I'm thinking they'll be fuming like the billionaire Kocksters who fund Anti-Climate Change will Cha Nov 2014 #24

We will get fucked on this Go Vols Nov 2014 #12

We'll see, Go Vols I'm gonna be optimistic! Cha Nov 2014 #26

Good luck getting it through the Senate NT Ex Lurker Nov 2014 #16

I'm thinking Executive Order, Ex Lurker. Cha Nov 2014 #27

EOs have nothing to do with treaties. former9thward Nov 2014 #34

So the voters who stayed home can have this as their first sign of what they could have had treestar Nov 2014 #116

Great news Cha! sheshe2 Nov 2014 #18

I love John Kerry's OP in the NYT today, too, on this, she.. Cha Nov 2014 #30

I've always believed cilla4progress Nov 2014 #62

I like how you've put that, cilla.. Mahalo!.. Cha Nov 2014 #65

Not bad for a so-called lame duck who doesn't love the planet as much as Nixon. Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #19

Ye Ha! Well done, Ykcutnek! Cha Nov 2014 #28

Excellent riposte, Ykcutnek! freshwest Nov 2014 #29

Great to see this Cha!! This historic moment kind of out of the blue flamingdem Nov 2014 #20

Outta the Beautiful Blue.. had poetically said, flamingdem! Cha Nov 2014 #33

I love this especially when the Repubs are attempting to erase flamingdem Nov 2014 #22

They can scrub and scrub and scrub, flamingdem.. they ain't Cha Nov 2014 #35

yeah but, i heard he was like, OMG, chewing gum and stuff. KMOD Nov 2014 #23

Yeah, we hear a lot things and then there's Cha Nov 2014 #37

LOL.. sorry, I didn't know what you were talking about.. Cha Nov 2014 #76

Such B.S. If Nixon was alive and President, he would have.... rufus dog Nov 2014 #25

But he couldn't bring back to life the half million people he killed in Laos and Cambodia... freshwest Nov 2014 #31

And, he wouldn't be such a racist bigoted piglet, either. Cha Nov 2014 #39

Kick and rec! N/t zappaman Nov 2014 #32

Mahalo, zappaman! Everything is cool on the Islands right now.. Cha Nov 2014 #40

Ha! zappaman Nov 2014 #41

Backatcha! Cha Nov 2014 #44

Not to burst any bubbles, drm604 Nov 2014 #36

The only real hope is that we work with states to get this done. But then that is also bad news. Rs jwirr Nov 2014 #43

It may not have to karynnj Nov 2014 #45

Mahalo for that enlightment on how it can and is being done, karyn Executive Orders already issued Cha Nov 2014 #49

Call me crazy, drm.. I'm thinking EO like these Executive Orders on our Climate Change.. Cha Nov 2014 #47

Me thinks the Pentagon reports declaring climate change a threat to natl. security Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #48

Wonderful News! Liberal Lolita Nov 2014 #38

Lets Hope it's not too late for our Planet, Liberal Lolita! Cha Nov 2014 #54

This is great but I do not see how we are going to accomplish this with the crazies in the Senate jwirr Nov 2014 #42

There are other ways.. jwirr.. Cha Nov 2014 #56

That is good. I thought about the state levels. Even in Iowa the fields are full of wind machines jwirr Nov 2014 #106

I don't agree that this is a game-changer. Just words LittleBlue Nov 2014 #46

^THIS^ Old Nick Nov 2014 #50

OTOH, China is not located on Planet Mars... Amonester Nov 2014 #53

This is a huge game changer, folks KMOD Nov 2014 #51

Perfect, KMOD.. I was looking for something like that with Eyore.. just last week! Cha Nov 2014 #58

That's the only mode for some people alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #99

So, do we support fast-track on this, or distrust Obama again? Hoyt Nov 2014 #52

I say the former! Mahalo Hoyt~ Cha Nov 2014 #60

Mahalo back Cha. Hoyt Nov 2014 #67

KICK! REC! BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2014 #55

Mahalo Blanche! Cha Nov 2014 #63

*mwah* BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2014 #113

K & R! Iliyah Nov 2014 #57

Mahalo Iliyah~ Cha Nov 2014 #66

Sounds great!!!! JDPriestly Nov 2014 #59

As John Kerry says in the link in the OP.. it's a start.. Cha Nov 2014 #68

Kickety Kickety kickety pop! Hekate Nov 2014 #61

I did not know that, Hekate! LOL Cha Nov 2014 #70

And I've gotta say it, if no one else will: cilla4progress Nov 2014 #64

You know he's Happy, Cilla! Who wouldn't be?! Oh I Cha Nov 2014 #71

I can give a little bit of a perspective from the point of view of China davidpdx Nov 2014 #69

Thank you for your perspective, david! This is a huge deal as Kerry says.. Cha Nov 2014 #72

So, now even China is on board. Now watch the Republicans sabotage it world wide wally Nov 2014 #73

Oh, they'll try.. Kochsters want a dirty Planet.. but, I'm thinking there's ways around it noted in Cha Nov 2014 #74

They'll revert to Red-Baiting. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #186

President Obama and Chinese President Xi Jinping met today in Beijing. Ju Peng/Xinhua/ZUMA TY! Cha Nov 2014 #75

Working and chewing gum at the same time.. lol Cha Nov 2014 #78

~ sheshe2 Nov 2014 #107

President Obama is Pressing ON, she! Cha Nov 2014 #146

Yes he is my dear Cha! sheshe2 Nov 2014 #150

This is good news malaise Nov 2014 #79

Mahalo malaise.. it's a great start for the US and China to work together on Global Climate Change! Cha Nov 2014 #80

Really encouraging news! RiverLover Nov 2014 #81

Yes it is, RiverLover! Cha Nov 2014 #82

President Obama in the 2012 Campaign Cha Nov 2014 #83

Where's the deal? The2ndWheel Nov 2014 #84

Your predictable, pathetic attempt to trash this is noted and discarded.. Cha Nov 2014 #85

Just going by history is all The2ndWheel Nov 2014 #88

Yeah, well, in those thousands of years... good things do happen. Cha Nov 2014 #90

Yeah, but those good things always come at a cost The2ndWheel Nov 2014 #96

Yeah, yeah, yeah.. Nothing worth it comes easy. Cha Nov 2014 #144

"What happens when 3 hour meeting becomes a 5 hour one?" Cha Nov 2014 #86

Call me a lame duck will you? nt bemildred Nov 2014 #89

"Media: How does it feel to be a lame duck?".. strutting their pressitute feathers.. Cha Nov 2014 #91

It's going to be an interesting two years. nt bemildred Nov 2014 #92

Oh yes, not your average "lame duck". Cha Nov 2014 #93

Excellent news - TBF Nov 2014 #94

I sure do hope all goes swimmingly with the Global Climate pact between the United States Cha Nov 2014 #95

I read an article on FB TBF Nov 2014 #97

The devil is in the details Takket Nov 2014 #98

2030. Am I missing something? lonestarnot Nov 2014 #100

No, you are not pediatricmedic Nov 2014 #108

Putin made him do it. JoePhilly Nov 2014 #101

it's only a "game changer" when the game is actually changed. Javaman Nov 2014 #102

Reducing emissions "below 2005 levels" doesn't impress me. Not going to save the planet. Orsino Nov 2014 #103

Exactly, Orsino! Cha Nov 2014 #152

K&R raouldukelives Nov 2014 #105

"without imposing new restrictions on power plants or vehicles"??? What does that mean? grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #110

It means lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #112

Do I understand this correctly? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #111

K & R, Mahalo Cha mahina Nov 2014 #114

Yes, it is, mahina.. China's on board.. easier to deal with China than US recons. Cha Nov 2014 #153

The pollution is finally getting to China treestar Nov 2014 #115

K&R for excellent news! mcar Nov 2014 #117

Too little too late Android3.14 Nov 2014 #118

+1 nt Javaman Nov 2014 #119

"We can't do anything with the environment when we have a black President." WTF!? We already have. Cha Nov 2014 #161

Should have used the old sarcasm thingy Android3.14 Nov 2014 #163

Sorry, Android! I didn't recognize you as someone who was being sarcastic.. and that is my BAD! Cha Nov 2014 #164

To phrase it another way, China agrees to only continue to make their own polution problem worse hughee99 Nov 2014 #120

Exactly nt Crabby Appleton Nov 2014 #128

This was a trade negotiation. China won. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #137

Just in time for a Republican Senate that can veto and torpedo KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #121

These are promises from a lame-duck Democratic President that has zero pull with Congress. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #122

He's doing his job. Now let's do ours. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #124

Of course not, how absurd. I am not going to get my hopes up over empty rhetoric. He fooled me once rhett o rick Nov 2014 #138

So he's blamed when he doesn't take strongly liberal positions True Blue Door Nov 2014 #139

Please, please don't put words into my mouth. I appreciate it when he speaks out for rhett o rick Nov 2014 #141

But if he spoke out about fracking, wouldn't you just have the same attitude? True Blue Door Nov 2014 #143

Yes, he would.. that's the poster's purpose. Thank you, True Blue Door Cha Nov 2014 #148

If he spoke out about fracking it would be quite a turnaround because he has rhett o rick Nov 2014 #167

It's not an exaggeration to say this is the Greenest US administration in history. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #168

If you are saying that I am not easily satisfied, I will agree. While some here wallow in the rhett o rick Nov 2014 #172

I say again: Greenest administration in US history. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #175

Mahalo True Blue Door! Cha Nov 2014 #199

Nailed it Number23 Nov 2014 #179

Can we blame Obama for getting it negotiated? Deny and Shred Nov 2014 #131

I am not blaming Obama. But words are cheap. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #140

No argument here Deny and Shred Nov 2014 #193

You make a good point. This will put pressure on the Republicans. Now I'd like to see rhett o rick Nov 2014 #194

Wake me when that happens. I'll hold my breath. Deny and Shred Nov 2014 #196

Oh how freaking predicable.. wahwahwah.. all you can do whine about good news with China on board? Cha Nov 2014 #147

Predictable isn't even the word. This is being hailed as HUGE news througout Asia and the Pacific Number23 Nov 2014 #176

"US-China climate deal: at last, a real game-changer on emissions" " .. Cha Nov 2014 #178

And while the naysayers -- "left" and right -- wail and gnash, the praise keeps on coming Number23 Nov 2014 #191

"UN praises China, US for �highly significant� announcement on emissions cuts" Excellent addition Cha Nov 2014 #192

The M$M media is about to start criticizing Dopers_Greed Nov 2014 #123

Bank it.. criticizing and whining. Cha Nov 2014 #162

Change has to happen on the individual level... americannightmare Nov 2014 #125

I agree with this post Travis_0004 Nov 2014 #201

Total agreement! Sorry I didn't see your thread, Travis Cha Nov 2014 #202

The TPP and Keystone will undo any deal agreed upon. JRLeft Nov 2014 #126

What effect do either of those have on emissions? Recursion Nov 2014 #177

Thank you Cha for the good news. lovemydog Nov 2014 #127

Indeed!! kentuck Nov 2014 #129

Very short on meaningfull actions One_Life_To_Give Nov 2014 #130

We'll see.. China's on board now.. more than a few actually think that's Huge. Cha Nov 2014 #173

K&R to both parts! !! mylye2222 Nov 2014 #133

Yeah, good luck with that. Blue_In_AK Nov 2014 #134

Naomi Klein has some great things to say about this: lovemydog Nov 2014 #135

Brilliant lovemydog! Naomi Klein lays it all out.. talk about "good timing".. I do know that the Cha Nov 2014 #155

Personal observation: most people are sadly addicted to stupid and shitty news. lovemydog Nov 2014 #136

Bump for huge news - by far the most important story of the day, week, month and maybe year. lovemydog Nov 2014 #142

Well Done, lmd! It would have been HUGE in the USmedia if Nixon would have clinched it!!!!!! Cha Nov 2014 #160

I am not surprised. hifiguy Nov 2014 #145

Interesting! Mahalo for your perspective, hifiguy! The repubs were always saying it won't do any Cha Nov 2014 #165

very good news arely staircase Nov 2014 #149

Sure it is tell the repubs in congress upaloopa Nov 2014 #151

NOW, CAN THE CHINESE AND US SURVIVE UNTIL THE BEFITS OF THE CLIMATE TREATY START? drynberg Nov 2014 #154

Right. Fuck it. Let's not do anything! SunSeeker Nov 2014 #157

It's A Gamechanger because We finally have China on Board.. Thanks Obama! Cha Nov 2014 #169

Because it is.. to those who know how significant it is. Cha Nov 2014 #200

Sweet. More retiring coal plants for gas plants, which means more fracking. TransitJohn Nov 2014 #158

A good start. nt SunSeeker Nov 2014 #159

A damn good start, SunSeeker! China could still be ignoring it like the US gopolluters. Cha Nov 2014 #174

Worse, U.S. gopolluters are spending millions trying convince everyone it doesn't exist. SunSeeker Nov 2014 #181

Billion$! I heard! The Chinese are smarter than US GOPolluters. Cha Nov 2014 #183

He tried to get a deal at Copenhagen, back in 2009, but Climategate scotched that plan. ucrdem Nov 2014 #171

Mahalo for that history, ucr.. Assange had a hand in scortching Copenhagen?!!! Cha Nov 2014 #182

Bumping for the night owls. lovemydog Nov 2014 #180

Mahalo lovemydog.. it's really night owlish now! Cha Nov 2014 #185

Hoo? Hoooo is a night owl? lovemydog Nov 2014 #189

Yay once more flamingdem Nov 2014 #184

Yes. Of course, they'll be cynical again in about lovemydog Nov 2014 #187

I really had gone into despair about this flamingdem Nov 2014 #188

Me too flamingdem. Hope is the thing with feathers lovemydog Nov 2014 #190

So, China says shit won't decrease until maybe 2030 and that is a gamechanger? joeglow3 Nov 2014 #195

K&R nt Andy823 Nov 2014 #197

Mahalo Andy! Cha Nov 2014 #198

Kick for the Planet! Cha Nov 2014 #203

Yes a Gamechanger Cha Nov 2014 #204

K4Planet Cha Nov 2014 #205