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Shankapotomus

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16. You saw through my simple ruse

Thu Nov 13, 2014, 08:33 AM

Nov 2014

But you're an old pro, cali.

And wouldn't concluding they couldn't suffer just as much as anybody else while they were suffering just be heaping more abuse on them? For some liberals this is not as clear cut an answer as for you and I.

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Can a straight, white male liberal ever truly suffer at the hands of our culture? [View all] Shankapotomus Nov 2014 OP

Depends on how much money he has. n/t djean111 Nov 2014 #1

Here's a curve ball for you Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #8

Well, IMO, almost all disabled people are discriminated against, no matter what demographic. djean111 Nov 2014 #10

How can they deal better with discrimination? Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #13

I thought that is what I said, really. A rich person can deal with the "physical" stuff, like djean111 Nov 2014 #21

Indeed. See my posts #49 and #72 downthread. hifiguy Nov 2014 #82

That's a little off topic isn't it? brush Nov 2014 #102

Yes but not if you're a straight, white, male Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #105

That's what I mean about having the option of "keeping his politics to himself" brush Nov 2014 #106

No demographic group is immune to suffering -- WhiteAndNerdy Nov 2014 #2

I intentionally left out those other labels Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #4

Thanks. WhiteAndNerdy Nov 2014 #5

One of my uncles had terrible problems with alcohol, and his problems were well known thoughout amandabeech Nov 2014 #76

I'm sorry about your uncle. :( WhiteAndNerdy Nov 2014 #91

Thank you! amandabeech Nov 2014 #92

I'll pass. I generally ignore the ID politics threads. Smarmie Doofus Nov 2014 #3

I pass as well, and am a LESWIM. These discussions Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #17

What does that mean? nt brush Nov 2014 #104

LESWIRM: Liberal Straight White Racist Male -- a common Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #109

bookmark for self n/t Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #6

You forgot right handed whistler162 Nov 2014 #7

I'm a straight white male UglyGreed Nov 2014 #9

Couldn't have been a better reply Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #14

Good I'm glad UglyGreed Nov 2014 #19

Stupid poll, sorry. Way too vague. Ever? That's an automatic Yes Tom Rinaldo Nov 2014 #11

I intentionally made it easy Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #15

Of course. How ridiculous is it to posit: "if indeed they can suffer" cali Nov 2014 #12

You saw through my simple ruse Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #16

Of course, but they are statistically less likely to do so than ... surrealAmerican Nov 2014 #18

Are they cis or trans? AngryAmish Nov 2014 #20

They could be Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #22

how about a straight, white liberal male who also suffers a physical or mental disability? Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #23

One could even argue, Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #24

Your question indicates how much you don't understand this issue. gollygee Nov 2014 #25

My question was merely posed Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #27

Oh, then this is a strawman gollygee Nov 2014 #28

Whoops Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #31

On your edit JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #26

Right Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #29

Or do they magnify it JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #34

But I'm not talking about Conservative white, straight, males Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #37

And as liberal white men JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #39

I agree Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #40

But they are also your enemy JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #43

Coming back to say - I've enjoyed this convo with you JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #61

Not sure who at DU is expecting that of you Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #63

I hope everyone reads this thread and takes away one key point you made JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #65

"It doesn't come at the hands of the 'others'." Yes it can, sadly. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #51

Society wide - it doesn't - JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #60

I don't deny the vast influence of the corrupt .1% at all, btw. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #69

Boo fucking YA. bettyellen Nov 2014 #110

Given your edit, those poll options make absolutely no sense. nt RedCappedBandit Nov 2014 #30

perhaps this reply to a similar question Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #32

Who exactly are you trying to catch out with this poll? Sheldon Cooper Nov 2014 #33

I don't know Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #35

Btw, Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #38

Is this a scientific poll? LOL snooper2 Nov 2014 #36

Well, it is on the intertubes, hifiguy Nov 2014 #54

Let's ask Jack and Bobby Kennedy. Oh � wait ... 11 Bravo Nov 2014 #41

yeah, but they were rich so Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #42

Bump Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #44

they can suffer as much but not because of systematic oppression La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2014 #45

That much is true, at least. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #53

"White folks can be the victims of racism as much as anyone..." YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #67

You may want to re-read what I said in context....no offense. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #70

Must be hard to have most of your posts misunderstood XemaSab Nov 2014 #93

Is the "ability" to suffer somehow important? Recursion Nov 2014 #46

Of course. dawg Nov 2014 #47

Yes, if he has a disability KamaAina Nov 2014 #48

Given certain conditions, yes indeed hifiguy Nov 2014 #49

What are your thoughts on the possibility Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #72

The counselor who first diagnosed me hifiguy Nov 2014 #77

Could it be you just have more advanced activity preferences Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #78

Maybe, but it makes it very hard to get along in a shallow society. hifiguy Nov 2014 #108

Your interests seem similiar to mine Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #111

Most liberals do not, hold any (negative) preconceived notions against SWMs, as far as I can tell. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #50

And such as? XemaSab Nov 2014 #94

... Kali Nov 2014 #113

Poverty is the big equalizer TBF Nov 2014 #52

Socioeconomic status is a huge factor, and you've ignored it. Avalux Nov 2014 #55

i'm not really understanding , Right Wing racists can suffer also, everyone can suffer in this JI7 Nov 2014 #56

They're certainly abused by the people they elect to represent them. Erose999 Nov 2014 #59

Being white, straight, and male you're sometimes eyed with... not necessarily suspicion, but Erose999 Nov 2014 #57

Even a straight white liberal male will suffer under a Republican or Third Way regime. Louisiana1976 Nov 2014 #58

Everyone will suffer if we let investment bankers call the shots. Rex Nov 2014 #62

No this is a straight up No Kalidurga Nov 2014 #64

Try telling that to all the straight white males who were forced to become birth fathers without StevieM Nov 2014 #80

That's a whole nuther issue Kalidurga Nov 2014 #87

Exactly. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #66

Many people hold all homeless people at the same level of contempt. lpbk2713 Nov 2014 #68

Sure a shit. He just needs a mental disorder. HereSince1628 Nov 2014 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Nov 2014 #73

If that's the way you conduct yourself on a discussion board Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #74

Of course an individual can. That does not mean there are no institutionalized biases though. uppityperson Nov 2014 #75

It is "can A" with a caveat Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #81

Here was your question randys1 Nov 2014 #79

What if they are disabled? Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #83

Still not the same and it isn't based on a history of lynching you for being disabled etc randys1 Nov 2014 #84

No doubt Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #85

You know what makes me angry now that you bring it up, these ADA lawyers randys1 Nov 2014 #86

I don't have an inclination to influence anyone's opinion on this Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #88

Cool, I only asked because I think my problem with these ADA lawyers may be wrongheaded randys1 Nov 2014 #89

Sure LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #90

Of course 76% of white liberal males think they can suffer as much as anyone else. kwassa Nov 2014 #95

I do not understand. betsuni Nov 2014 #96

Example of why this question is important Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #99

What do you think your issue is? kwassa Nov 2014 #100

I have other issues that complicate the matter Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #101

Everyone is a special case, but everyone is also part of a group. kwassa Nov 2014 #107

Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #103

No Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #97

Not really, in my life experience when a bad event happens other opportunities IdiocracyTheNewNorm Nov 2014 #98

Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #112

Poverty goes hand in hand with racism to demean and degrade all of us Tsiyu Nov 2014 #114

Do you mean, can being a straight white male be in itself disadvantageous, or can straight white LeftishBrit Nov 2014 #115