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MADem

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80. They'll ignore it or get mad if you point out the cognitive dissonance.

Thu Nov 13, 2014, 04:17 PM

Nov 2014

I think it's funny as hell when they get all into this Team This One and Team That One, like politicians are werewolves and vampires from a sparkly Twilight Film. What they don't realize is that Warren ADORES Harry Reid, gets along GREAT with Hillary Clinton, and will happily work closely with Barack Obama.

This disappoints those who would like to see our own party members snarling and each other and doing the bold Captain Morgan stance in defense of some principle or other. It doesn't work that way. We have a party platform and some politicians are more invested in this plank or that, but the idea is to keep the trajectory moving forward. They're most effective at that if they work with--not against--one another.

They get that. Some people here with a Twilight mindset don't. Or maybe they don't want it to be that way, because they prefer the whole "team sports" aspect.

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How bad will the DU freak-out be if/when Warren has to support a party vote? [View all] Recursion Nov 2014 OP

Hopefully, we'll hold her feet to the fire and call her on it. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #1

Sigh Recursion Nov 2014 #3

It is the responsibility of the people in a democracy to hold public servants accountable. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #7

Of course it is Recursion Nov 2014 #8

Because...? Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #11

I don't need to explain to anyone my pounding of my head against my desk Recursion Nov 2014 #12

Paying attention to politicans has that effect. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #16

Isn't it sad to watch people play concern troll? Rex Nov 2014 #44

You have that right Android3.14 Nov 2014 #52

Yes it is, unfortunately too many think being rude and obnoxious LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #29

This bigwillq Nov 2014 #90

o gawd not the feet to the fire. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #4

"Has to capitulate". What happens if she doesn't? Torture? Embarrassment? Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #9

... bigwillq Nov 2014 #89

Warren has voted for things like our massive defense budget Cali_Democrat Nov 2014 #2

Granted, but, if she takes this leadership position, there will be a whip vote, probably even in Recursion Nov 2014 #5

The party needs her to LWolf Nov 2014 #88

Yes, any criticism of Obama's policies LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #6

Warren votes for our $700 billion defense budget, there's nary a peep on DU Cali_Democrat Nov 2014 #15

Exactly. The silence is deafening, isn't it LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #31

That's because we're racists LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #35

It would be far more effective if you provided an alternate explanation. jeff47 Nov 2014 #45

I provided multiple policy points as evidence LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #53

You provided multiple, irrelevant points. Because the issue is the difference jeff47 Nov 2014 #57

Disagree, completely LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #59

And raging against getting called a racist is exactly what the troll wants you to do. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2014 #62

Well that was lame AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #17

I alerted on your disgusting post. Implying that liberal Democrats are racist Zorra Nov 2014 #27

And here's your results. jeff47 Nov 2014 #43

Nothing wrong with implying that is they have not thrown Warren under the bus treestar Nov 2014 #76

Alerting on that post Capt. Obvious Nov 2014 #79

The more yer agin' her, the more I'm for her. Iggo Nov 2014 #10

I like her. Recursion Nov 2014 #21

Compromising her just might be the point Deny and Shred Nov 2014 #46

And so here's where I say "And so it begins", again Recursion Nov 2014 #47

Which Party? She was a Republican for much longer than she's been a Democrat, she's voted for Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #13

And so it begins (nt) Recursion Nov 2014 #14

What begins? AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #20

No, it's not: we don't primary our right wing; they do primary their left wing Recursion Nov 2014 #23

For that matter, it's not a bad argument; Bluenorthwest is right about that Recursion Nov 2014 #25

Of course we primary our right wing AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #26

Well, we don't do so effectively... who was the last Democrat to lose to a primary challenge from Recursion Nov 2014 #28

Yet... AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #36

No... that's certainly... true... Recursion Nov 2014 #48

Ok, I'll play. Deny and Shred Nov 2014 #51

That doesn't happen in either party; they support incumbents. Recursion Nov 2014 #54

"Unelectibly liberal" AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #55

And yet liberal/progressive candidates lose outside of liberal/progressive districts Recursion Nov 2014 #56

Give examples AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #58

You did: voters support liberal policies but elect a conservative majority Recursion Nov 2014 #60

Specific examples please AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #64

Easy: Arkansas, this past election Recursion Nov 2014 #68

Pryor didn't run on progressive ideas AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #70

I hear crickets n/t Oilwellian Nov 2014 #73

Ah, so the mythical AR progressive candidate would have won in a landslide? (nt) Recursion Nov 2014 #75

I note you feel a need to use the term, "Landslide" AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #77

Nope, even just by a little bit Recursion Nov 2014 #78

But the minimum wage won in a landslide mythology Nov 2014 #81

Swarney (G) was on the ballot. He got less than 2% of the vote. (nt) Recursion Nov 2014 #84

The ones who are confused are the ones who think that raising the minimum wage Art_from_Ark Nov 2014 #94

My contention is that AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #95

The Pryor example isn't really the best onenote Nov 2014 #85

As a ballot initiative, increasing the minimum wage can transcend ideologies Art_from_Ark Nov 2014 #92

Ooh, ooh! can I play? brooklynite Nov 2014 #97

I have no idea what your post has to do with mine Art_from_Ark Nov 2014 #98

2012: Cartwright defeating Blue Dog Tim Holden onenote Nov 2014 #82

You know, I was including Barr, which isn't right Recursion Nov 2014 #83

What 'begins'? I've never been a fan of her or any other Reaganite. Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #38

I wasn't saying you had (I'm serious about that) Recursion Nov 2014 #42

the same can be said of many people here noiretextatique Nov 2014 #93

Getting all excited already are we? Rex Nov 2014 #18

I for one will respect her intelligence and know that she did what she felt needed to be done. jwirr Nov 2014 #19

I'm struggling to understand the phrase "has to support". Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #22

I don't "have to" pay my student loans. Recursion Nov 2014 #24

OK, let me ask another way. Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #33

She loses the leadership position she just got (nt) Recursion Nov 2014 #34

So if she doesn't vote in some hypothetical vile right wing nonsense AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #39

Right, and I agree with your statement above that it only compromises her LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #40

OK, so she doesn't "have to" vote the way they want her to. Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #41

Which hurts her, how? jeff47 Nov 2014 #65

Well, we'll see, won't we? (nt) Recursion Nov 2014 #66

Well, if they've been paying attention they shouldn't be surprised frazzled Nov 2014 #30

You know that and I know that Recursion Nov 2014 #32

It may break a few hearts. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #37

Set a few scalps on fire.... nt msanthrope Nov 2014 #72

Thwt too. n/t hrmjustin Nov 2014 #74

Depending on the subject, I don't think there'll be one. Which would kind of disprove the whole Marr Nov 2014 #49

We'll see Recursion Nov 2014 #50

Not 1/2 as bad as the meltdown if Warren endorses Clinton over Sanders in the Democratic primaries Rowdyboy Nov 2014 #61

Yeah, I'm not even going there Recursion Nov 2014 #63

Nothing Warren says or does will make Hillary any more palatable to me. djean111 Nov 2014 #67

I'm a Schweitzer fan, so obviously making Clinton more palatable is not on my agenda Recursion Nov 2014 #69

Why the obvious hope for exploding heads or whatever? It is tacky and jeering. djean111 Nov 2014 #71

They'll ignore it or get mad if you point out the cognitive dissonance. MADem Nov 2014 #80

So true. nt Bobbie Jo Nov 2014 #96

it's not about the person, it's the policies yurbud Nov 2014 #86

A "party" vote? LWolf Nov 2014 #87

Warren should not be doing this. TheNutcracker Nov 2014 #91

Flame Bait. Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #99