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NanceGreggs

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200. Excuse me, Ken ...

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 03:48 AM

Nov 2014

... for deigning to speak for myself, but I didn't "freak out" over anything.

It is exactly that kind of hyperbolic nonsense that has replaced actual discussion/debate on DU.

First there is the "so what you really mean is" replies that attribute words and thoughts to other posters, without regard for listening to their actual opinions. This is often accompanied with a display of the black-and-white thinking that has become pervasive here, where not agreeing with one thing automatically translates to embracing the exact opposite position, e.g. "So you don't trust Snowden? Then you obviously think spying on Americans is okay."

And then we come to the "freaking out" BS. It's rampant. Posts about BOGgers "freaking out" because someone criticized Obama, or HRC supporters "freaking out" over Sanders' thinking about running, or Warren supporters "freaking out" over her latest comment that she is not interested in a presidential run.

I could provide a "better explanation" of my views. But, quite frankly, I can't be bothered. Not here, anyway, where all attempts at actual discussion are pointless.

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Would You Vote For Hillary? [View all] Prophet 451 Nov 2014 OP

I don't plan on it. I will leave that place blank on my ballot. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2014 #1

no n/t jaysunb Nov 2014 #2

Not a chance. AtomicKitten Nov 2014 #3

I'm going to wait and see who throws thier hat in the ring. KMOD Nov 2014 #4

If she gets the nod, a lot depends on who she's running against, but... TreasonousBastard Nov 2014 #5

The Republican would doubtless be a frothing madman Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #7

Still 'No' peacebird Nov 2014 #58

I hope there aren't enough of you to provide some ... 11 Bravo Nov 2014 #96

I hope we get some good candidates in the primary, & HRC isn't the nominee peacebird Nov 2014 #123

So do I, but that doesn't address your statement that you ... 11 Bravo Nov 2014 #182

no way. on point Nov 2014 #6

No! sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #8

Nope. A little wear and tear on the nose I can manage. But, Hillary? No thanks. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #9

yes vadermike Nov 2014 #10

WhyTF should it be assumed Hillary gets the nomination?! Special Prosciuto Nov 2014 #11

polling numbers.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #206

If she's the nominee fadedrose Nov 2014 #12

we are indeed screwed. right wing reactionary war hawks have been running things long enough.. n/t 2banon Nov 2014 #185

Without hesitation ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #13

Although we do have a right to expect, AND DEMAND, Ken Burch Nov 2014 #35

Well, I'm not sure ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #148

Not not vote, but have a right to keep expecting. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #153

Not agreed. n/t NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #169

What does that mean? Ken Burch Nov 2014 #172

I see no point ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #173

So tell me what you DO mean, then? Ken Burch Nov 2014 #174

As I've already said ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #175

I rewrote the post you were offended by. Sorry. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #177

Excuse me, Ken ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #200

You could have responded to the post by saying "no. you're wrong. What I ACTUALLY believe is..." Ken Burch Nov 2014 #201

I am not being dismissive of the topic. NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #202

Deliberate obtuse response deserves full ignore option Ken. 2banon Nov 2014 #184

You should include the environment in that list. Chemisse Nov 2014 #214

You're right. n/t. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #215

BIG +1 ~nt RiverLover Nov 2014 #216

I would love to see Warren, Sherrod Brown or jen63 Nov 2014 #14

I would be an idiot not to since otherwise I'd be helping the Rethug. n/t pnwmom Nov 2014 #15

The exact reason I would too. Liberal Lolita Nov 2014 #21

I will vote for whoever is our nominee MFM008 Nov 2014 #16

From what I've read here Union Scribe Nov 2014 #17

I think a generic Democrat will easily beat anyone the GOP nominates. Doesn't matter if its Hillary cascadiance Nov 2014 #205

can't make that predicition this far out nt msongs Nov 2014 #18

In the fall, if nominated. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #19

6) Don't Want a Theocracy AndyTiedye Nov 2014 #30

That, too. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #33

And Senator Hillary was with The Family in DC. I don't want theocracy overt or theocracy covert. merrily Nov 2014 #39

Only if I move to a purple state. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #20

If she's still on the ballot when we have the Primary elections, probably.... Hekate Nov 2014 #22

What are you talking about? ieoeja Nov 2014 #118

In the primary, hell no. In the general, yes. n/t demmiblue Nov 2014 #23

Yes Hyper_Eye Nov 2014 #24

NO nt Raine Nov 2014 #25

Without hesitation. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #26

No! Pastiche423 Nov 2014 #27

Yes gwheezie Nov 2014 #28

Nope davidpdx Nov 2014 #29

Yes, In the General Election AndyTiedye Nov 2014 #31

Yes GreatGazoo Nov 2014 #32

No RiverLover Nov 2014 #34

As the nominee... Yes Sherman A1 Nov 2014 #36

Only in a general election n/t eridani Nov 2014 #37

I have no clue why any DUer has to take a loyalty oath before she even commits to running. merrily Nov 2014 #38

Not a loyalty oath, not a trick question, not a trap Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #41

Not really an explanation. Everyone who asks any question that is not purely rhetorical is curious. merrily Nov 2014 #47

Please stop trying to second-guess me Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #53

First guess or second, I never tried any guess what your motives or reasons might be. merrily Nov 2014 #60

She would be the lesser of two evils. So yes, but I B Calm Nov 2014 #40

In a perfect world, NO. I would vote for myself or someone just like me. In the real world, YES. n/t pampango Nov 2014 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author myrna minx Nov 2014 #43

Not even if Hell froze over. Katashi_itto Nov 2014 #44

NO to any Boomer. GeorgeGist Nov 2014 #45

The youngest boomers just turned 50 BeyondGeography Nov 2014 #51

Well, politics is a game for the middle-aged Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #55

Xers are middle aged, not Boomers Reter Nov 2014 #102

I hate to break it to you, but age is being defined down in this country BeyondGeography Nov 2014 #111

Middle-aged means roughly halfway to death Reter Nov 2014 #165

As a practical matter, if you call someone 38 to 42 middle-aged BeyondGeography Nov 2014 #168

"No to any boomer"? What a critical thinker. I hate to burst your bubble, but Elizabeth Warren is still_one Nov 2014 #61

Yes justiceischeap Nov 2014 #46

No - If the Democratic Party fails to grow a spine over the next avebury Nov 2014 #48

So there only three candidates you would support... brooklynite Nov 2014 #190

Yes, but it reserve the vote for someone leftier if he or she can show leadership. aikoaiko Nov 2014 #49

Nope, the party throws away my vote with such a nomination and further, I will resent it. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #50

Hillary has not even said, officially, what her platform and objectives are. Just has some PACs. djean111 Nov 2014 #52

No. Nt newfie11 Nov 2014 #54

primary, depending. general, yes. bullimiami Nov 2014 #56

No peacebird Nov 2014 #57

Yawn.............poll number 15 on HIllary leftofcool Nov 2014 #59

I will vote for the Democratic Party nominee for President. baldguy Nov 2014 #62

But saying NO to a fake dem, a DINO, deserves the highest honor. ~nt RiverLover Nov 2014 #63

Of course, that's not the topic of discussion. baldguy Nov 2014 #68

absolutely. If for nothing else the SC, because if the republicans win the next election the course still_one Nov 2014 #65

Yes...I will vote for the Democratic candidate. Sancho Nov 2014 #64

Just look at the SC justices appointed by Democrats verses republicans. Is it any clearer? still_one Nov 2014 #66

If she is the Dem nominee, yes. JoePhilly Nov 2014 #67

Only if I had to and it would take a lot of coercion. hobbit709 Nov 2014 #69

I can't give a straight yes/no answer until I hear what she plans to run on. From her mouth. Vinca Nov 2014 #70

Her record and history have already spoken. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #162

I'll invoke the 5th on this one. nt LWolf Nov 2014 #71

Only in a general election krawhitham Nov 2014 #72

No bigwillq Nov 2014 #73

Yes. theHandpuppet Nov 2014 #74

I loathe her. But perhaps yes. SCOTUS. n/t Smarmie Doofus Nov 2014 #75

Yes I would and it is sad to see puma is still here. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #76

Of course Hari Seldon Nov 2014 #77

Holding my nose.... Stellar Nov 2014 #78

There isn't a clamp made that could hold my nose enough to vote for her. nt Javaman Nov 2014 #79

No! mindem Nov 2014 #80

Asked and answered four times in the last two weeks. nt. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #81

I'm a Democrat Bettie Nov 2014 #82

No Oilwellian Nov 2014 #83

if she is the nominee, I am voting for her. why is this even a question? nt littlewolf Nov 2014 #84

Yes, already did in 2008 along with 18 million other voters GusBob Nov 2014 #85

I will vote for the Democratic Party nominee. MineralMan Nov 2014 #86

Never. LuvNewcastle Nov 2014 #87

I would, and without holding my nose. CBHagman Nov 2014 #88

No, I'll vote for a Democrat instead LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #89

My thoughts exactly n/t MissDeeds Nov 2014 #93

Yes and so would everyone else here Township75 Nov 2014 #90

I wouldn't be so sure about that... MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #147

Well I'll putnit this way Township75 Nov 2014 #152

I understood what you meant... MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #197

Yes, unless a magical and mystical Republican suddenly appears JohnnyLib2 Nov 2014 #91

Of course I would. Coventina Nov 2014 #92

No MissDeeds Nov 2014 #94

If she were to be nominated, I would vote for her with no enthusiasm whatsoever. ladjf Nov 2014 #95

Why would anyone do that? Vote against their own interests? This is exactly WHY we get candidates sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #105

+1000 MissDeeds Nov 2014 #106

No Myrina Nov 2014 #97

Rather than engage in purity pout which aids Republicans? Yes, of course I'd vote for her. (nt) Paladin Nov 2014 #98

NEVER 99Forever Nov 2014 #99

Never ever ever Reter Nov 2014 #100

If she is nominated liberal N proud Nov 2014 #101

I will vote for whomever my Party nominates. Laffy Kat Nov 2014 #103

Yup otohara Nov 2014 #104

No. Not even in the general PFunk Nov 2014 #107

If Clinton is the dem nominee then I will vote Green or write in a candidate. CrispyQ Nov 2014 #108

If my vote for her could make a difference yes if not no. Rybak187 Nov 2014 #109

If she is the Democratic Party nominee of course I will onenote Nov 2014 #110

Of course. In your scenario, she's the democratic nominee. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #112

I will vote for Clinton... Orsino Nov 2014 #113

no raygons Nov 2014 #114

Yes. dawg Nov 2014 #115

No. Hillary would represent a further continuation of Bush foreign policy. Maedhros Nov 2014 #116

I always vote for the Democratic nominee in the General Election. Iggo Nov 2014 #117

Would I? Would I? Would I? rock Nov 2014 #119

no Howler Nov 2014 #120

No CountAllVotes Nov 2014 #121

Nope LittleBlue Nov 2014 #122

YES!!! nt beaglelover Nov 2014 #124

I will vote against the republican candidate Marrah_G Nov 2014 #125

No, hell no Carolina Nov 2014 #126

Hoping not to have to make that choice. HereSince1628 Nov 2014 #127

I feel free to say that Hillary is not running for any office. longship Nov 2014 #128

Yes. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #129

If she is the nominee. SteveG Nov 2014 #130

Already plan to work for her... brooklynite Nov 2014 #131

Oh, It seemed you have been working for her.. my mistake then. n/t 2banon Nov 2014 #187

I'm not working for her, because she's not running yet... brooklynite Nov 2014 #188

No BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #132

Of course I will if she is the Democratic nominee. n/t zappaman Nov 2014 #133

Yes, even though I'd be holding my nose. Louisiana1976 Nov 2014 #134

If she is the Democratic nominee mcar Nov 2014 #135

No IdiocracyTheNewNorm Nov 2014 #136

Which Republican, would you prefer to Hillary? KinMd Nov 2014 #137

Of course. nt cry baby Nov 2014 #138

Yes. old guy Nov 2014 #139

No Way!!!! mylye2222 Nov 2014 #140

Yes. tavernier Nov 2014 #141

Yes...nt joeybee12 Nov 2014 #142

Yup. KamaAina Nov 2014 #143

Yes loyalsister Nov 2014 #144

Fucking hell no ..and ..you can't afford to pay $1 to DU? Hey ...somebody pay the $1 for Prophet 451 L0oniX Nov 2014 #145

Yes... revmclaren Nov 2014 #146

Yes. Absolutely. And so should everyone here. Adrahil Nov 2014 #149

Not sure. polichick Nov 2014 #150

Depends on who is there. BlueJazz Nov 2014 #151

Only if her running mate is Henry Kissinger. JEB Nov 2014 #154

Nope daredtowork Nov 2014 #155

NEVER in a Democratic primary Martin Eden Nov 2014 #156

Puma is alive and well according to some of the responses I see. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #157

It depends on the other Republican running. PeteSelman Nov 2014 #158

For me it comes down to the statistics unrepentant progress Nov 2014 #163

Nope, never. I don't vote for Republicans. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #159

Yes. northoftheborder Nov 2014 #160

leave it blank Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #161

Of course not. I'll vote Republican just because Hillary is not everything I want. RandySF Nov 2014 #164

Ha! YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #192

If she's the nominee yes. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2014 #166

Yes, because I will vote for the best of the candidates that can win the general. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2014 #167

NOPE H. Cromwell Nov 2014 #170

Not in a primary. hughee99 Nov 2014 #171

Not in the primaries...but yeah. Probably. Drunken Irishman Nov 2014 #176

No Man from Pickens Nov 2014 #178

No. She is a menace to democracy. woo me with science Nov 2014 #179

No. Her Iraq war vote disqualfied her permently. She is a fake on point Nov 2014 #180

Yes get the red out Nov 2014 #181

I haven't worked out a worse case scenario for 2016 yet. mmonk Nov 2014 #183

Nope.. I'll vote down ballot and leave that one blank if need be. 2banon Nov 2014 #186

Fuck no! n/t Hotler Nov 2014 #189

Yes YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #191

Yes Aerows Nov 2014 #193

No. I vote in a non-competitive state. I would vote for the Green or the Socialist. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #194

I don't carry water for republicans. joshcryer Nov 2014 #195

NO! hifiguy Nov 2014 #196

In the primary? No. MissB Nov 2014 #198

Yes Dirty Socialist Nov 2014 #199

Not a chance. nt silvershadow Nov 2014 #203

Yes. Behind the Aegis Nov 2014 #204

thanks for this thread....it proves my point how many are not really Democrats there are on DU VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #207

I don't think that's fair Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #208

too bad......if they cannot commit to voting for whomever wins our Primary VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #209

I can't commit to voting for her Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #210

sorry but you are also not a Democrat.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #211

You've got it backwards, it's Hillary who is not a true Democrat. RiverLover Nov 2014 #213

bullshit...Independents DO NOT get to tell Democrats what to do... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #223

Well, no, I'm British Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #224

but you are not....so your opinions are not so important to us...WE decide. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #225

this is a hoot.Coming from someone who is Pro NSA, Katashi_itto Nov 2014 #212

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #217

Why are there so many 'no' responses? Chemisse Nov 2014 #218

Good question DFW Nov 2014 #219

If she's our nominee? Hell, yeah, I will. DFW Nov 2014 #220

No, let the Republicans take credit for Republican policies. nt bemildred Nov 2014 #221

Not a fan..... sendero Nov 2014 #222

Please don't sit it out Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #226