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Savannahmann

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30. PErhaps

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 02:13 PM

Nov 2014

However, ignoring those polls and the public opinion on the issues is death to political candidates.

People have put me on ignore because I have said one positive thing about Reagan. He could communicate his message to the people and use public opinion as a cudgel to wave at Congress. President Obama has not enjoyed nearly the success that Reagan did with that talent. Congress said no way to the Tax cuts that Reagan wanted. Reagan went to the people and sold them on his ideas. The People went to Congress. I am not saying the tax cuts were a great idea. I am saying they were sold well.

I believe there is truth in the axiom that you learn more from a defeat than you do a victory. The idea of common sense tax structure was defeated to this day by one old man in 1981. Nobody has been able to sell the alternative view to the masses. Think about that. Think about that defeat, and why we haven't learned from it yet.

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Which potential candidate would have the greatest probability of success in 016 [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 OP

I think Hillary has the best shot. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #1

The only way that will happen is if she critisizes republicans, and not the Obama administration still_one Nov 2014 #5

I'd like to see John Kerry consider VP, if she does become the candidate ffr Nov 2014 #11

I thought that with the demographic headwinds at our backs it would be impossible to lose in 016. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #2

Why do you think his "popularity is so low" as the MSM loves to tell us, conviently leaving out the still_one Nov 2014 #7

Actually, the Republicans have a higher approval rating. Savannahmann Nov 2014 #23

not saying you are wrong, what I am saying is the constant message from the MSM that still_one Nov 2014 #29

PErhaps Savannahmann Nov 2014 #30

True one should learn from mistakes one would hope. still_one Nov 2014 #33

Warren can draw more working class Independents and Republicans. Give her Hillary's war chest. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #3

...aside from the fact that Elizabeth Warren supports Hillary for President. baldguy Nov 2014 #6

That may be, but Warren is not running. Bernie most likely will run, and if he does the only way he still_one Nov 2014 #8

On just probability of getting elected, Hillary is the obvious vote. MineralMan Nov 2014 #4

If Bernie wants to stand a chance he has to become a Democrat. I would not underestimate still_one Nov 2014 #10

My realistic prediction for Bernie Sanders is that he MineralMan Nov 2014 #15

i VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #31

What is success? Getting into more wars, gutting more of the commons, funnelling more money TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #9

+1 nt Zorra Nov 2014 #12

Bernie will run as a Democrat and he will win. Autumn Nov 2014 #13

If he runs as a Democrat, I predict that he will win no more than two primary elections. MineralMan Nov 2014 #16

I will take what you say for what it is worth. Autumn Nov 2014 #17

It's worth no more than anyone else's opinion at this point. MineralMan Nov 2014 #20

Given the current environment odds would be on Hillary Clinton............ wandy Nov 2014 #14

How depressing so many choose Hillary. nt Logical Nov 2014 #18

"DU is not predictive of what the general primary electorate will do." so there is no reason to be Autumn Nov 2014 #21

DU undoubtedly underestimates Hillary's popularity. n/t MoonRiver Nov 2014 #26

And one could say that DU undoubtedly overestimates Hillary's popularity. Autumn Nov 2014 #27

and one would have to deny the obvious VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #32

De Nile is not just a river in Egypt Autumn Nov 2014 #34

you mean denial of poll results.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #35

I have found this far out poll results are not a sure thing. Autumn Nov 2014 #36

you have found nithing of the sort VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #37

Whatever you think. Even here on DU where Hillary has a lot support Autumn Nov 2014 #38

again you are in denial VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #41

Alrighty then !!!!! But it is early on and at this point polls are often Autumn Nov 2014 #43

they might....when YOU have a candidate VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #44

Ah mmmkay ! Bernie is my choice and since he will probaly run as Autumn Nov 2014 #46

sorry Bernie doesnt have those polls VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #47

When we do have a candidate you will not have to be told. Autumn Nov 2014 #48

You don't and you won't. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #58

If you say so Autumn Nov 2014 #59

Its not ME saying it....its the American public... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #60

Yes I do. Now please quit following me from thread to thread Autumn Nov 2014 #61

National poll after national poll show her running away with the nomination MoonRiver Nov 2014 #50

Much like the last time she ran? Autumn Nov 2014 #51

I don't remember that in 2008. She was the frontrunner, but not like now. MoonRiver Nov 2014 #52

I was a Hillary supporter all the way. I remember that time very Autumn Nov 2014 #53

Autumn, I was one too. MoonRiver Nov 2014 #54

I know where you are coming from. I still wonder if she would have done a better job Autumn Nov 2014 #56

I also think she would have really pushed for the public option. MoonRiver Nov 2014 #57

Unless voting Democrats LWolf Nov 2014 #19

Nah. Savannahmann Nov 2014 #24

With all that "potential" Hillary could spare us the advertising and fundraising. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #22

I don't see any of them winning a general election Lurks Often Nov 2014 #25

Another poll - another Hillary vote! Laf.La.Dem. Nov 2014 #28

Here is my take mvd Nov 2014 #39

Sanders because I think Dems and indies long for real change... polichick Nov 2014 #40

i agree Indies do VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #42

Dems showed their feelings by not going to the polls... polichick Nov 2014 #45

On pure electability, Biden in the general, Clinton in the primaries. ucrdem Nov 2014 #49

Our one chance to win AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #55

People know Hillary but that doesn't mean they trust or like her. Plus she's too guarded and doesn't craigmatic Nov 2014 #62