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moriah

(8,311 posts)
27. I truly resent the divide that has formed.
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 03:45 PM
Nov 2014

Look, I'm from Arkansas. I'm in a hunting state. I don't support many of the restrictions on firearms that many "far-left" liberals do, because I know too many "guns" voters who would otherwise vote Democratic if they felt their Constitutional rights weren't being stripped away.

Some "far-left" people suggest that my old Kimber 9mm, which I kept for home defense until I sold it to my sister when I became suicidal, was "overpowered" because it had an 8-bullet magazine. Ridiculous, IMHO. Yet I'll talk to the "guns" voters about how I feel I should have been required to get my sister to pass a background check when I sold it to her -- "I knew she would pass, it would only be like $15 bucks and 15 minutes at the local pawn shop" -- they mostly agree with me, though some want a family exemption but agree that gun shows should require a background check. When I then say it's a gun owner's responsibility to keep their guns away from criminals, along with children and the clueless, they see my point. (I quoted the 3 Cs that gun-owners are taught.)

Yet if you argue with those same voters and fail to speak their language, even for the same policies, they reject them immediately, feeling it's an encroachment on the 2nd Amendment.

I dislike the "DINO" criticisms of Southern Democrats. Don't you realize that even if they argue for moderation because the people who voted for them may not be as liberal as New Yorkers or Washingtonians, they still vote with the party when things come to a final vote? And now we've lost two Democratic senators from my state in the last four years. Two votes that could have gone to overturning a filibuster on something really important. One was primaried (Blanche Lincoln) using out-of-state funds that should have been used to keep Democrats in office, which were instead used to tar and feather an incumbent Democrat.

I dislike people who suggest that Don't Ask, Don't Tell was thoroughly evil. For it's time, it was the right bill. The repeal of DADT, and allowing open service, would never have happened if we couldn't have argued that gays were serving for years before in the closet and not raping other people in the bathroom. DOMA made some people feel safe that same-sex marriage wouldn't necessarily come to their states -- I'm glad the laws are now changing, thanks to progress in other states. Arkansas saw its first same-sex marriages, something that never would have happened if it hadn't become a state-by-state issue. Yet if we'd started in Arkansas, it would have failed miserably.

I'm grateful for the groundbreaking work done in other, more liberal states. Because once people saw that gay marriage isn't going to lead to babies being sacrificed to Satan or destroy traditional marriages that people have, they haven't challenged it as much as they would have if it'd started in their states. Same with pot legalization. People are seeing that it makes a lot of tax money for states.

But to say it's marijuana legalization for the whole country or I'll just stay at home, or gay marriage for the whole country or I'll vote Green Party, or single-payer or I'll not support the ACA at all, is divisive and stymies national and federal progress.

That's what I have a problem with. Realize each region differs in what they'll accept. Start with incremental change, and change can actually happen. If we give in and let the Republicans take over instead of standing together, moderate Democrat and "far-left" Democrat together, they will work to ruin the progress made in individual states and progress made on the national level.

Bwahahaha! Those policies are so old-fashioned Left Wing glitter-shitting ponies! djean111 Nov 2014 #1
Its not that we don't support them....DUH! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #2
But these are ideas that most Americans support Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #3
it fucking doesn't matter....WE know how they vote. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #5
Progressive policies have overwhelming support. Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #7
"Progressive Policies" will not be a name on a Ballot. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #8
sure. By "the People." Who the hell cares one tiny sh*t about them? librechik Nov 2014 #49
i am not owned....I am Democrat by choice.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #53
The problem is that while voters keep polling that way, and keep voting for ballot measures, mythology Nov 2014 #13
Probably didn't help Pryor was against the minimum wage increase. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #35
so you don't really "support them". Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #6
uh What? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #9
Well said! nt Mojorabbit Nov 2014 #51
I support all those things. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #4
Can you say the "far left" supports those things baldguy Nov 2014 #10
And yet the West Coast elected Democrats while reforming drug laws, expanding rights and Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #14
Please note the difference between those who only *claim* to be liberals, & those who actually are. baldguy Nov 2014 #17
The "far left" LWolf Nov 2014 #30
The problem is you're falsely conflating the nearly mythical "neo-liberal" with political realists. baldguy Nov 2014 #31
No, I'm not. LWolf Nov 2014 #32
And it's to the advantage of Republicans to sap support from Democrats. Which is what you're doing. baldguy Nov 2014 #34
No I'm not. LWolf Nov 2014 #37
Better for who? They're not better candidates if they lose, are they? baldguy Nov 2014 #39
They aren't better candidates if LWolf Nov 2014 #45
Right. You're one who thinks a Republican President is better than a Hillary President. baldguy Nov 2014 #46
False. Again. LWolf Nov 2014 #47
Donald Sagretti would be proud of you. baldguy Nov 2014 #50
I don't know who Donald Sagretti is, LWolf Nov 2014 #52
Deliberately conflating treestar Nov 2014 #11
In what way? I see no methods mentioned in the OP. Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #16
People disagree over how to obtain the goals treestar Nov 2014 #38
You know, I've waited for someone to ask this question wyldwolf Nov 2014 #12
And thus you shit upon the Democratic segments that have given the Party all the recent victory Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #15
How so? wyldwolf Nov 2014 #19
+ 100 JoePhilly Nov 2014 #23
Yes and it's bull they are being "shit on" treestar Nov 2014 #41
I truly resent the divide that has formed. moriah Nov 2014 #27
Well in your rush to sound like a condescending jerk you missed the point Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #18
I didn't miss the point in your intentionally clueless OP wyldwolf Nov 2014 #21
Banning all firearms or limiting magazines to 7 is pretty "far-left". moriah Nov 2014 #29
I don't disagree with you on either point Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #40
You're missing the point... brooklynite Nov 2014 #20
But everyone doesn't get their patch on the quilt immediately that way. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #22
It is tough to understand it treestar Nov 2014 #42
They support not voting if their candidate isn't perfect LadyHawkAZ Nov 2014 #24
"realist" is like "Biblical literalist": they lose elections way more than progs, even in Arkansas MisterP Nov 2014 #25
uh nope VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #26
Let's do a head count. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #28
+1 LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #36
Exactly. Pick a deep red district where treestar Nov 2014 #43
Mingling with irrational realists seveneyes Nov 2014 #33
That I support, or that I think the Democrats should run on? Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2014 #44
I support all of them. But I don't blame a candidate for not getting them passed bhikkhu Nov 2014 #48
The people who did not vote this year Hari Seldon Nov 2014 #54
3 iAddie's gwheezie Nov 2014 #55
3 issues gwheezie Nov 2014 #56
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