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BlindTiresias

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61. jesus christ stop watching 300
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 03:46 PM
Nov 2014

Last edited Sat Nov 15, 2014, 05:37 PM - Edit history (1)

The Persian model was a kind of federalism, the satraps were autonomous or semi-autonomous states and were far from slaves. Part of the non-military reasons the Persians did not do well against more rigidly organized powers (Makedon) is they had difficulty organizing a cohesive force and a unified political will against a legit dictator, which was Alexander the Great and the military he inherited from another legit dictator, his father Philip II. If anything, the Persian satrap system and the Roman republic were more similar than different, so your use of the Roman Empire as somehow being of some Persian pattern is truly bizarre.

As far as a Roman industrial revolution, pure fantasy. The devices developed in the Hellenistic period were toys and some more sophisticated technologies did emerge in the 3rd century of the Roman Empire but they were still underpowered and lacked the metallurgy, economy, or infrastructure to use them in an industrial manner. You are engaging in what I like to call the Sid Meier fallacy, which is when one treats historical technological development like a tech tree building up to modern, Western industrial society. It doesn't work that way.

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Easy. If I were writing Dante's Inferno today, I'd just include many more than 3 people in . merrily Nov 2014 #1
Hitler's malice is the greatest of all time. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #3
Not in my view. YOUR hypothetical is that this is my book. I must require you to live with it. merrily Nov 2014 #10
Jesus have you like.. BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #17
Who was greater in its time? True Blue Door Nov 2014 #19
Han Dynasty BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #30
Really? Han Dynasty *monarchy* was more humanistic and democratic than Rome? True Blue Door Nov 2014 #48
Han dynasty had an excellent quality of life for most of its duration. BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #57
Man does not live by bread alone. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #69
No we appeal to Greece and Rome because of historic lineage BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #71
Reagan, Hitler, Stalin would all be in the 10th Circle in my version IdiocracyTheNewNorm Nov 2014 #2
Reagan's crimes were mainly of deliberate negligence. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #4
His evil went far and wide and we are still dealing with the consequences today IdiocracyTheNewNorm Nov 2014 #7
Most of Reagan's henchmen were Nixon's unindicted people. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #9
and the common element for both was Cheney IdiocracyTheNewNorm Nov 2014 #15
But we are biased because we feel the direct effects of those monsters. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #20
Times were a bit different in Julius Caesar's time then in the more modern time period of today IdiocracyTheNewNorm Nov 2014 #25
Hitler created spaceflight (via Von Braun), the Volkswagen, jet aircraft, and freeways. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #29
Don’t forget really stylish uniforms too, those Nazis were pretty sharp dressers! IdiocracyTheNewNorm Nov 2014 #35
Yup. No one will besmirch Hitler's fashion sense. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #47
It is more interesting then the current black or blue suit with white shirt IdiocracyTheNewNorm Nov 2014 #50
Cheney, AKA "His Divine Shadow." True Blue Door Nov 2014 #52
Both Obama and Hillary put Reagan on their respective lists of 10 best US POTUS ever merrily Nov 2014 #5
I guess a really shitty one with principals. IdiocracyTheNewNorm Nov 2014 #8
So sorry, my compatriot. Principles are just so over. merrily Nov 2014 #14
Obama respects Reagan's "message-eering." True Blue Door Nov 2014 #12
Satan is at the center of the 9th circle, not the 10th circle Fortinbras Armstrong Nov 2014 #6
Yes, it was in deep trouble. And what did Caesar do with that trouble? True Blue Door Nov 2014 #13
Ever heard of a guy called Sulla? BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #16
The guy who voluntarily retired from dictatorship? True Blue Door Nov 2014 #21
Yeah BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #28
He killed lots of people without pretense. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #32
Ok BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #33
If it hadn't been Caesar Fortinbras Armstrong Nov 2014 #22
Would you accept that as a criminal defense of murder? True Blue Door Nov 2014 #24
Caesar was just the last one in a line of people Fortinbras Armstrong Nov 2014 #36
Yeah, your appraisal of Gaius Julius is dead wrong BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #11
My assessment of Caesar is simply based on his own words True Blue Door Nov 2014 #18
Jesus christ, liberty? BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #27
The technological concepts I refer to were invented in the Hellenistic era. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #37
Nooo BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #41
Tell me: What did Caesar do to capitalize on the extant advances of his time? True Blue Door Nov 2014 #45
The roman republic was not a democracy BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #59
The Roman Republic had been dying for years when Caesar came on the political scene. Fortinbras Armstrong Nov 2014 #34
I don't think so. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #49
The Senate were the ones preying on the weakened state BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #58
Easy and In order of the ammount of people killed. imthevicar Nov 2014 #23
If numbers of people killed are the standard, where's Genghis Khan? True Blue Door Nov 2014 #38
Well, or Tamerlane, with the pyramids of skulls, but the list is long. bemildred Nov 2014 #54
I was thinking like that treestar Nov 2014 #66
Dante put traitors in the very center of hell. woo me with science Nov 2014 #26
Caesar was the king of such vipers. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #39
Dick Cheney Chemisse Nov 2014 #31
No one here will deny that Cheney and Reagan were evil. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #42
GMTA! I was just going to ask if we'd forgotten Dick Cheney... Rhiannon12866 Nov 2014 #44
But would he be in the top 3? True Blue Door Nov 2014 #46
Good point. But I do have the perspective of my particular lifetime Rhiannon12866 Nov 2014 #63
Also your Roman industrial rev notion is an absurdity BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #40
Actually, steam power existed in the Hellenistic era. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #43
jesus christ stop watching 300 BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #61
Thanks.... Island Deac Nov 2014 #51
Mao, Stalin, and Hitler if you want to go by sheer indefatigable killing. bemildred Nov 2014 #53
Something people may find interesting about Brutus rpannier Nov 2014 #55
I think you should spare Nixon. Vinca Nov 2014 #56
"History supplies little more than a list of people who have helped themselves to the property Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #60
Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz Old Nick Nov 2014 #62
That you need to read more Roman history, possibly something from a different perspective. Rowdyboy Nov 2014 #64
Meh. I don't have any faith in the naratives of history. hunter Nov 2014 #65
Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot. stevenleser Nov 2014 #67
Lee Atwater, Karl Rove, Cheney no_hypocrisy Nov 2014 #68
Antiquties - Nero, Caligula, Caesar Rex Nov 2014 #70
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