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hunter

(40,596 posts)
65. Meh. I don't have any faith in the naratives of history.
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 04:46 PM
Nov 2014

Shit happens.

When the situation turns ugly it's always best to solve the problems, run away, or even die kicking and screaming before you pledge your allegiance to any tyrant.

Every tyrant any population has historically committed themselves to is, in some ways, a scapegoat. Hitler or Caesar or Stalin or Pol Pot would never have happened in societies that overwhelmingly said to authority, "Go fuck yourself, I'm not listening to you."

My ancestors mostly walked, sailed, or ran away from trouble as soon as they saw it brewing. That's how they ended up in Wild West U.S.A..

First, get on a boat. When you reach America, jump overboard swim and/or run as fast as you can. Fully half my ancestors, all clearly European, Irish, Catholic, Jewish, whatever, were "undocumented." Dead ends on the family genealogy. They just appeared in the yard one day, like a stray dog.

My wife's ancestors are largely Southwestern American Indian who fled to Mexico when the situation got ugly, and Irish and Scots Catholic who fled to the Americas when things got ugly.

A good number of my ancestor's pacifist Christian and "passive resistance" intellectual kin probably died along the way, in horrible ways, but then again, shit happens. There hasn't been any real shortage of aggressive sapient apes on this planet for at least one or two million years now. It's The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas who deserve our respect.

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Easy. If I were writing Dante's Inferno today, I'd just include many more than 3 people in . merrily Nov 2014 #1
Hitler's malice is the greatest of all time. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #3
Not in my view. YOUR hypothetical is that this is my book. I must require you to live with it. merrily Nov 2014 #10
Jesus have you like.. BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #17
Who was greater in its time? True Blue Door Nov 2014 #19
Han Dynasty BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #30
Really? Han Dynasty *monarchy* was more humanistic and democratic than Rome? True Blue Door Nov 2014 #48
Han dynasty had an excellent quality of life for most of its duration. BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #57
Man does not live by bread alone. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #69
No we appeal to Greece and Rome because of historic lineage BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #71
Reagan, Hitler, Stalin would all be in the 10th Circle in my version IdiocracyTheNewNorm Nov 2014 #2
Reagan's crimes were mainly of deliberate negligence. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #4
His evil went far and wide and we are still dealing with the consequences today IdiocracyTheNewNorm Nov 2014 #7
Most of Reagan's henchmen were Nixon's unindicted people. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #9
and the common element for both was Cheney IdiocracyTheNewNorm Nov 2014 #15
But we are biased because we feel the direct effects of those monsters. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #20
Times were a bit different in Julius Caesar's time then in the more modern time period of today IdiocracyTheNewNorm Nov 2014 #25
Hitler created spaceflight (via Von Braun), the Volkswagen, jet aircraft, and freeways. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #29
Don’t forget really stylish uniforms too, those Nazis were pretty sharp dressers! IdiocracyTheNewNorm Nov 2014 #35
Yup. No one will besmirch Hitler's fashion sense. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #47
It is more interesting then the current black or blue suit with white shirt IdiocracyTheNewNorm Nov 2014 #50
Cheney, AKA "His Divine Shadow." True Blue Door Nov 2014 #52
Both Obama and Hillary put Reagan on their respective lists of 10 best US POTUS ever merrily Nov 2014 #5
I guess a really shitty one with principals. IdiocracyTheNewNorm Nov 2014 #8
So sorry, my compatriot. Principles are just so over. merrily Nov 2014 #14
Obama respects Reagan's "message-eering." True Blue Door Nov 2014 #12
Satan is at the center of the 9th circle, not the 10th circle Fortinbras Armstrong Nov 2014 #6
Yes, it was in deep trouble. And what did Caesar do with that trouble? True Blue Door Nov 2014 #13
Ever heard of a guy called Sulla? BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #16
The guy who voluntarily retired from dictatorship? True Blue Door Nov 2014 #21
Yeah BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #28
He killed lots of people without pretense. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #32
Ok BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #33
If it hadn't been Caesar Fortinbras Armstrong Nov 2014 #22
Would you accept that as a criminal defense of murder? True Blue Door Nov 2014 #24
Caesar was just the last one in a line of people Fortinbras Armstrong Nov 2014 #36
Yeah, your appraisal of Gaius Julius is dead wrong BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #11
My assessment of Caesar is simply based on his own words True Blue Door Nov 2014 #18
Jesus christ, liberty? BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #27
The technological concepts I refer to were invented in the Hellenistic era. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #37
Nooo BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #41
Tell me: What did Caesar do to capitalize on the extant advances of his time? True Blue Door Nov 2014 #45
The roman republic was not a democracy BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #59
The Roman Republic had been dying for years when Caesar came on the political scene. Fortinbras Armstrong Nov 2014 #34
I don't think so. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #49
The Senate were the ones preying on the weakened state BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #58
Easy and In order of the ammount of people killed. imthevicar Nov 2014 #23
If numbers of people killed are the standard, where's Genghis Khan? True Blue Door Nov 2014 #38
Well, or Tamerlane, with the pyramids of skulls, but the list is long. bemildred Nov 2014 #54
I was thinking like that treestar Nov 2014 #66
Dante put traitors in the very center of hell. woo me with science Nov 2014 #26
Caesar was the king of such vipers. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #39
Dick Cheney Chemisse Nov 2014 #31
No one here will deny that Cheney and Reagan were evil. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #42
GMTA! I was just going to ask if we'd forgotten Dick Cheney... Rhiannon12866 Nov 2014 #44
But would he be in the top 3? True Blue Door Nov 2014 #46
Good point. But I do have the perspective of my particular lifetime Rhiannon12866 Nov 2014 #63
Also your Roman industrial rev notion is an absurdity BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #40
Actually, steam power existed in the Hellenistic era. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #43
jesus christ stop watching 300 BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #61
Thanks.... Island Deac Nov 2014 #51
Mao, Stalin, and Hitler if you want to go by sheer indefatigable killing. bemildred Nov 2014 #53
Something people may find interesting about Brutus rpannier Nov 2014 #55
I think you should spare Nixon. Vinca Nov 2014 #56
"History supplies little more than a list of people who have helped themselves to the property Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #60
Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz Old Nick Nov 2014 #62
That you need to read more Roman history, possibly something from a different perspective. Rowdyboy Nov 2014 #64
Meh. I don't have any faith in the naratives of history. hunter Nov 2014 #65
Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot. stevenleser Nov 2014 #67
Lee Atwater, Karl Rove, Cheney no_hypocrisy Nov 2014 #68
Antiquties - Nero, Caligula, Caesar Rex Nov 2014 #70
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