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karynnj

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99. Not true to anyone that does not worship the all wonderful and completely innocent Bill Clinton

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 06:38 PM

Nov 2014

The fact is that you are denigrating an outstanding US Senator. Now there are many times when I would have disagreed with his vote. In fact, I would have preferred that he vote the way his Democratic peers did. However, I do not see this as a "betrayal" or "backstabing" Bill Clinton. His vote stemmed from his conscience.

I remember reading someone who I respect (I would say who if I remembered who it was) saying that in his opinion Feingold was the Conscience of the Senate. I really can see that - even when I disagree. I also saw it in his refusal to take any PAC money - even when facing Ron Johnson, who had far outraised him. He is a very good man now doing excellent work as a special envoy to the Great Lakes area in Africa, the region he chaired the SFRC subcommittee for for years.

Feingold's votes there did not in any way harm Clinton. I assume that you would be the first to defend Clinton to people angered by any of the many things that he did that they feel were detrimental to some group of people they respect.

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In the event he is impeached, will Senate Democrats even have Obama's back? [View all] Drunken Irishman Nov 2014 OP

they can't stop them now.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #1

To complete an impeachment process, it requires a 2/3 vote from the Senate to convict MiniMe Nov 2014 #3

There are 6 that will vote often with Republicans... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #4

and all 6 need to be driven out of the party they cannot be counted on or trusted IdiocracyTheNewNorm Nov 2014 #25

6 still won't get them to 2/3 MiniMe Nov 2014 #35

In the new Senate, the repubs would need 12 Democrats voting with them... Spazito Nov 2014 #37

Angus King is an Independent not in the avebury Nov 2014 #121

There will be no impeachment Wella Nov 2014 #2

I doubt that Obama is going to give his veto pen much of a workout Art_from_Ark Nov 2014 #5

He's had a Democratic Senate--Reid blocked a lot of looney bills Wella Nov 2014 #7

I agree that vetoes will have to happen Art_from_Ark Nov 2014 #14

But Dems run well on the fear of a GOP president putting through personhood amendments and Wella Nov 2014 #18

Since when do Dems "handle it right"? world wide wally Nov 2014 #24

Well, you got me there. Wella Nov 2014 #49

only because this is the Less than Do Nothing Congress... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #8

So, he only Vetoed two.. they were good ones, though. Cha Nov 2014 #9

With the GOP in charge, looney bills will make their way to Obama's desk Wella Nov 2014 #11

^^ THIS! Atman Nov 2014 #126

Then there should be a "Save the Republican Party" bill LiberalFighter Nov 2014 #128

Exactly Wella Nov 2014 #139

They don't require winning it.....just basting him with the charge. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #48

Impeachment will SINK the GOP, not help it Wella Nov 2014 #103

they are the Teabaggers...they don't care about that shit....the more shit they stir the better VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #105

Nonsense. Party discipline comes from The Bronzer and Turtleman, neither of whom are Tea Party. Wella Nov 2014 #107

Nonsense....the party discipline obviously is not really in control anymore... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #108

You really don't understand how things work, do you? Wella Nov 2014 #109

No I do understand....very well.....watch and see yourself. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #110

The GOP has nothing to win and EVERYTHING to LOSE with impeachment Wella Nov 2014 #111

"Oh they wouldn't shut down government"....that wouldn't be a politically sound move VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #112

Watch and learn, grasshopper. Wella Nov 2014 #113

Not your grasshopper....you watch and learn.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #114

ROFLMAO! Wella Nov 2014 #144

I think they'd happily throw 2016... jmowreader Nov 2014 #142

Nah. Their corporate sponsors would never let them. Wella Nov 2014 #143

NO YOU watch....the Teabaggers are NOT beholden to them....They are Nucking Futz! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #145

Lexapro Wella Nov 2014 #146

I think you're right Wella Yupster Nov 2014 #70

Yes, that seems to be the plan Wella Nov 2014 #104

"..Namely that prick from West Virgina.." lol Just to show off for his constituents. Cha Nov 2014 #6

He is talking about running for WV governor in 2016, it would be a plus for doc03 Nov 2014 #56

Impeached for WHAT? WhiteAndNerdy Nov 2014 #10

they don't care...they will make shit up! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #12

Of course they'll make shit up. WhiteAndNerdy Nov 2014 #13

Yeah I think they will....They can Impeach him......it doesn't matter if it fails... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #15

Maybe, but I hope you're wrong. nt WhiteAndNerdy Nov 2014 #17

I hope I am too... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #27

President Obama will not lie under oath yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #26

The lie wasn't what the impeachment was about..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #28

Well regardless. We don't have any sexual yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #29

that has NOTHING to do with this.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #30

So what! You will not see impeachment of yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #31

their racists want it badly....and to ensure no other VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #69

For a person who's rarely wrong, Yupster Nov 2014 #74

I think they would love Senator Ted Cruz in the yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #77

Cause after all, he was born in Kenya and is not an American citizen! MoonRiver Nov 2014 #67

Well, according to the Repukes, being a President while Black is an impeachable offense. nt madinmaryland Nov 2014 #53

Completely agree, but they actually will have less success in one important way than with Clinton karynnj Nov 2014 #83

You forget that the House is filled with Bettie Nov 2014 #34

It only takes a simple majority of votes in the House of Representatives to... Spazito Nov 2014 #40

Can you actually "make up shit" in an impeachment? nt Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2014 #50

Whatever gets you over 50 % of the vote Yupster Nov 2014 #76

Sure, if you have the votes. There is no independent arbiter, the rules are whatever they say they. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #78

I think it has been very frustrating for the Rs to have such a squeaky clean president loyalsister Nov 2014 #19

That's what I think, too. nt WhiteAndNerdy Nov 2014 #20

they will find something or make something up 0rganism Nov 2014 #41

BENGHAZI!! BENGHAZI!!! BENGHAZI!!!! KamaAina Nov 2014 #47

They could impeach for anything - there really isn't a definition Yupster Nov 2014 #71

Like for being a big fat poopie head! whistler162 Nov 2014 #123

Seriously not like Obama is new to going it alone. Never had much help imo to begin with. Rex Nov 2014 #16

They have always underestimated this President, Rex. sheshe2 Nov 2014 #52

I'm just gonna wait and see... TreasonousBastard Nov 2014 #21

Joe will! C Moon Nov 2014 #22

Home of the brave?.. yeah, right. world wide wally Nov 2014 #23

It is very unlikely the President will be impeached Lurks Often Nov 2014 #32

I HAVE WONDERED THE SAME THING MYSELF Old Nick Nov 2014 #33

... 99Forever Nov 2014 #36

Most will. There will be a few who back stab him like they did Clinton. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #38

All 45 Democrats in the Senate voted not guilty. former9thward Nov 2014 #43

Russ Feingold voted not to dismiss the charge wyldwolf Nov 2014 #46

Feingold man of principle and integrity karynnj Nov 2014 #85

If his 'principles' told him Clinton should be impeached and removed, he was an idiot wyldwolf Nov 2014 #86

Feinstein's censure was not voted on before the impeachment votes - karynnj Nov 2014 #88

So? Your defense of Feingold's actions shows your approval of that GOP circus wyldwolf Nov 2014 #89

No - it shows that he felt the process should be respected and there be a trial karynnj Nov 2014 #90

It shows he approved of the process and the reasoning wyldwolf Nov 2014 #92

First of all it would not have been a coup - even if Clinton were kicked out karynnj Nov 2014 #93

And I'll bet if Obama is impeached, you'll be for that, too wyldwolf Nov 2014 #95

Grow up and learn to read. Nowhere did I say I was for impeaching Clinton (nor in fact was Feingold karynnj Nov 2014 #96

By his actions and words, and by yours wyldwolf Nov 2014 #98

Not true to anyone that does not worship the all wonderful and completely innocent Bill Clinton karynnj Nov 2014 #99

completely true. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #100

Why then did Feingold vote "no" on both charges? karynnj Nov 2014 #101

Here's a word 'progressives' like to throw around: 'enabler.' wyldwolf Nov 2014 #102

Two can play at this game - Why are you so proud of Clinton's actions here karynnj Nov 2014 #115

There is no game your hero Feingold was a GOP enabler wyldwolf Nov 2014 #117

Feingold was never my hero, though I do respect him karynnj Nov 2014 #118

there was no perjury conviction. Fiengold, your hero, failed. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #119

You know why there were no perjury conviction. Clinton essentially took a plea bargain karynnj Nov 2014 #129

there was no perjury conviction. Fiengold's Judas maneuvers failed. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #130

Clinton issued a statement that his comments were false -- which is admitting he lied under oath karynnj Nov 2014 #133

In order to avoid prosecution by the GOP witchhunters (of which Feingold was an ally) wyldwolf Nov 2014 #134

No, to avoid being charged in a court of law for something that had become blatantly obvious karynnj Nov 2014 #135

that's what prosecution is. And it would have been done by GOP Witchhunters and Feingold. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #136

Bill Clinton lied under oath = perjury - get used to it It is fact. karynnj Nov 2014 #137

Perjury is a legal term. Clinton was not convicted. Fiengold cried . wyldwolf Nov 2014 #138

On his last day in office, Clinton plea bargained a deal Yupster Nov 2014 #140

But wasn't convicted, despite good old Russ's best efforts. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #141

The only people talking about impeachment are posters on DU. former9thward Nov 2014 #39

RW pundits and politicians are talking about it AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #42

RW 'pundits' talk about a lot of things. former9thward Nov 2014 #44

But that's how it usually starts AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #45

Joni Ernst has advocated impeachment and she is not the only one Bjorn Against Nov 2014 #55

I do know what I am talking about. former9thward Nov 2014 #60

She has been elected Senator Bjorn Against Nov 2014 #65

Well I would love to be able to make a bet with those who say there will be an impeachment. former9thward Nov 2014 #68

It's the most popular word on Fox n/t doc03 Nov 2014 #57

Fox does not run the leadership of either the House or the Senate. former9thward Nov 2014 #61

They better! If the gop goes through with an impeachment fight no Demorat can help in anyway. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #51

He will be impeached Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #54

If it goes to the Senate, by definition he will be impeached. Drunken Irishman Nov 2014 #59

Sure, but not convicted n/t Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #62

Yep.. the almighty asterisk .. SoCalDem Nov 2014 #73

Bingo. Drunken Irishman Nov 2014 #94

Not. Happening. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2014 #58

I know some Fauxgressives on the internet who would love to see the President thrown out. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #63

If the Democrats in Congress actually supported impeachment, which they won't, but if they did, the still_one Nov 2014 #64

Pugs still playing impeach and shutdown. lonestarnot Nov 2014 #66

Any Democrat who votes with the impeachers should understand right now that we will NEVER forget. jwirr Nov 2014 #72

Democratic vengeance isn't what it used to be. Sad but true. Paladin Nov 2014 #81

I know but there are a few things we the people can do: refuse to donate to the committees and go jwirr Nov 2014 #82

Me and most of my fellow Texas Democrats started doing that, some time ago. Paladin Nov 2014 #87

I am glad that you helped Wendy Davis also. The refusal to use Dean's 50 state method is a good jwirr Nov 2014 #116

I sure as hell miss Dr. Dean. (nt) Paladin Nov 2014 #120

If they don't back him it will destroy the democratic party. B Calm Nov 2014 #75

I can't see why the Republicans want to impeach him, given that it would just result in Biden being LeftishBrit Nov 2014 #79

Not only that but Joe would be furious with them and it would not go well. They could not use the jwirr Nov 2014 #125

Good question fredamae Nov 2014 #80

If not, they can kiss any electoral success goodbye... kentuck Nov 2014 #84

Of course they will. onenote Nov 2014 #91

If the repubs in the House vote to impeach onenote Nov 2014 #97

Excellent points! B Calm Nov 2014 #124

The President will have ZERO problem being acquitted in the Senate. BillZBubb Nov 2014 #106

This freedom to throw him under the bus fadedrose Nov 2014 #122

It won't happen. You can't impeach a president for making executive orders. They will drag this librechik Nov 2014 #127

Which Senate Democrats seem so keen to throw the President under the bus, and in what specific Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #131

A highly publicized impeachment planned by both sides wouldn't surprise me at all. woo me with science Nov 2014 #132