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Donald Ian Rankin

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44. That I support, or that I think the Democrats should run on?

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 06:39 PM

Nov 2014

The two are completely different because, seemingly unlike most people (which baffles me - it's really not a hard distinction to make), I am capable of recognising that not everyone has the same opinions I do, and that some good policies will be vote-losers.

There are a number of things that I think would be very good for America - government-run health care, strong gun control, sanctions on Israel, large tax rises on the rich, large cuts in defence spending, rewriting the US constitution from the ground up, etc - that I think the Democrats should not make part of their party platform, because they would result in them losing.

I also think that there are some seats where the best thing for the Democrats to do is to run candidates with some views that I think are highly unethical - opposition to or at least equivocation on gay marriage, for example - but who will do less harm than a Republican victory there would.

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Hey all you political realists out there! [View all] Alittleliberal Nov 2014 OP

Bwahahaha! Those policies are so old-fashioned Left Wing glitter-shitting ponies! djean111 Nov 2014 #1

Its not that we don't support them....DUH! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #2

But these are ideas that most Americans support Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #3

it fucking doesn't matter....WE know how they vote. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #5

Progressive policies have overwhelming support. Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #7

"Progressive Policies" will not be a name on a Ballot. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #8

sure. By "the People." Who the hell cares one tiny sh*t about them? librechik Nov 2014 #49

i am not owned....I am Democrat by choice.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #53

The problem is that while voters keep polling that way, and keep voting for ballot measures, mythology Nov 2014 #13

Probably didn't help Pryor was against the minimum wage increase. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #35

so you don't really "support them". Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #6

uh What? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #9

Well said! nt Mojorabbit Nov 2014 #51

I support all those things. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #4

Can you say the "far left" supports those things baldguy Nov 2014 #10

And yet the West Coast elected Democrats while reforming drug laws, expanding rights and Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #14

Please note the difference between those who only *claim* to be liberals, & those who actually are. baldguy Nov 2014 #17

The "far left" LWolf Nov 2014 #30

The problem is you're falsely conflating the nearly mythical "neo-liberal" with political realists. baldguy Nov 2014 #31

No, I'm not. LWolf Nov 2014 #32

And it's to the advantage of Republicans to sap support from Democrats. Which is what you're doing. baldguy Nov 2014 #34

No I'm not. LWolf Nov 2014 #37

Better for who? They're not better candidates if they lose, are they? baldguy Nov 2014 #39

They aren't better candidates if LWolf Nov 2014 #45

Right. You're one who thinks a Republican President is better than a Hillary President. baldguy Nov 2014 #46

False. Again. LWolf Nov 2014 #47

Donald Sagretti would be proud of you. baldguy Nov 2014 #50

I don't know who Donald Sagretti is, LWolf Nov 2014 #52

Deliberately conflating treestar Nov 2014 #11

In what way? I see no methods mentioned in the OP. Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #16

People disagree over how to obtain the goals treestar Nov 2014 #38

You know, I've waited for someone to ask this question wyldwolf Nov 2014 #12

And thus you shit upon the Democratic segments that have given the Party all the recent victory Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #15

How so? wyldwolf Nov 2014 #19

+ 100 JoePhilly Nov 2014 #23

Yes and it's bull they are being "shit on" treestar Nov 2014 #41

I truly resent the divide that has formed. moriah Nov 2014 #27

Well in your rush to sound like a condescending jerk you missed the point Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #18

I didn't miss the point in your intentionally clueless OP wyldwolf Nov 2014 #21

Banning all firearms or limiting magazines to 7 is pretty "far-left". moriah Nov 2014 #29

I don't disagree with you on either point Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #40

You're missing the point... brooklynite Nov 2014 #20

But everyone doesn't get their patch on the quilt immediately that way. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #22

It is tough to understand it treestar Nov 2014 #42

They support not voting if their candidate isn't perfect LadyHawkAZ Nov 2014 #24

"realist" is like "Biblical literalist": they lose elections way more than progs, even in Arkansas MisterP Nov 2014 #25

uh nope VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #26

Let's do a head count. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #28

+1 LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #36

Exactly. Pick a deep red district where treestar Nov 2014 #43

Mingling with irrational realists seveneyes Nov 2014 #33

That I support, or that I think the Democrats should run on? Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2014 #44

I support all of them. But I don't blame a candidate for not getting them passed bhikkhu Nov 2014 #48

The people who did not vote this year Hari Seldon Nov 2014 #54

3 iAddie's gwheezie Nov 2014 #55

3 issues gwheezie Nov 2014 #56