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LWolf

(46,179 posts)
45. They aren't better candidates if
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 06:59 PM
Nov 2014

they win an election and lose on the issues, either.

Winning involves issues, not just elections. Electing a neo-liberal Democrat is not a "win" in my book.

There may be RW "dupes" on DU; it's not myopathy to deny them my time or attention. That just feeds them. In my experience, feeding the pest encourages it to stick around. Frankly, I find those supporting HRC to be dupes of the neo-liberal wing of the party. I'll bear that in mind as I ponder going any further with THIS conversation.

I haven't told you even once that anyone is calling for purges or litmus tests. That's your claim, not mine.

Calling HRC a neo-liberal isn't a smear; it's the simple truth. And "good" is subjective. A good neo-liberal is a bad Democrat, from my perspective.

I can absolutely support her neo-liberal connections. She's the stereotypical DLCer...you know: they expanded neo-liberal position in the Democratic Party, then gave way to various other-named but same-agenda branches. I can do that AND express myself coherently.

The "New Democrat Coalition" is one such branch; under the leadership of the "New Democrat" chair of the DNC, DWS, the Democrats just lost the Senate.

Warren? It's true that she's got a lot of populist support, including some from the "far-left." She certainly doesn't have a blanket endorsement, and she's not running, anyway, which makes your point moot.



Bwahahaha! Those policies are so old-fashioned Left Wing glitter-shitting ponies! djean111 Nov 2014 #1
Its not that we don't support them....DUH! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #2
But these are ideas that most Americans support Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #3
it fucking doesn't matter....WE know how they vote. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #5
Progressive policies have overwhelming support. Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #7
"Progressive Policies" will not be a name on a Ballot. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #8
sure. By "the People." Who the hell cares one tiny sh*t about them? librechik Nov 2014 #49
i am not owned....I am Democrat by choice.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #53
The problem is that while voters keep polling that way, and keep voting for ballot measures, mythology Nov 2014 #13
Probably didn't help Pryor was against the minimum wage increase. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #35
so you don't really "support them". Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #6
uh What? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #9
Well said! nt Mojorabbit Nov 2014 #51
I support all those things. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #4
Can you say the "far left" supports those things baldguy Nov 2014 #10
And yet the West Coast elected Democrats while reforming drug laws, expanding rights and Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #14
Please note the difference between those who only *claim* to be liberals, & those who actually are. baldguy Nov 2014 #17
The "far left" LWolf Nov 2014 #30
The problem is you're falsely conflating the nearly mythical "neo-liberal" with political realists. baldguy Nov 2014 #31
No, I'm not. LWolf Nov 2014 #32
And it's to the advantage of Republicans to sap support from Democrats. Which is what you're doing. baldguy Nov 2014 #34
No I'm not. LWolf Nov 2014 #37
Better for who? They're not better candidates if they lose, are they? baldguy Nov 2014 #39
They aren't better candidates if LWolf Nov 2014 #45
Right. You're one who thinks a Republican President is better than a Hillary President. baldguy Nov 2014 #46
False. Again. LWolf Nov 2014 #47
Donald Sagretti would be proud of you. baldguy Nov 2014 #50
I don't know who Donald Sagretti is, LWolf Nov 2014 #52
Deliberately conflating treestar Nov 2014 #11
In what way? I see no methods mentioned in the OP. Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #16
People disagree over how to obtain the goals treestar Nov 2014 #38
You know, I've waited for someone to ask this question wyldwolf Nov 2014 #12
And thus you shit upon the Democratic segments that have given the Party all the recent victory Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #15
How so? wyldwolf Nov 2014 #19
+ 100 JoePhilly Nov 2014 #23
Yes and it's bull they are being "shit on" treestar Nov 2014 #41
I truly resent the divide that has formed. moriah Nov 2014 #27
Well in your rush to sound like a condescending jerk you missed the point Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #18
I didn't miss the point in your intentionally clueless OP wyldwolf Nov 2014 #21
Banning all firearms or limiting magazines to 7 is pretty "far-left". moriah Nov 2014 #29
I don't disagree with you on either point Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #40
You're missing the point... brooklynite Nov 2014 #20
But everyone doesn't get their patch on the quilt immediately that way. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #22
It is tough to understand it treestar Nov 2014 #42
They support not voting if their candidate isn't perfect LadyHawkAZ Nov 2014 #24
"realist" is like "Biblical literalist": they lose elections way more than progs, even in Arkansas MisterP Nov 2014 #25
uh nope VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #26
Let's do a head count. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #28
+1 LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #36
Exactly. Pick a deep red district where treestar Nov 2014 #43
Mingling with irrational realists seveneyes Nov 2014 #33
That I support, or that I think the Democrats should run on? Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2014 #44
I support all of them. But I don't blame a candidate for not getting them passed bhikkhu Nov 2014 #48
The people who did not vote this year Hari Seldon Nov 2014 #54
3 iAddie's gwheezie Nov 2014 #55
3 issues gwheezie Nov 2014 #56
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