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karynnj

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101. Why then did Feingold vote "no" on both charges?

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 07:11 PM

Nov 2014

Not to mention, there is nothing I can find that suggests that he wanted the House to push those charges. Given his votes against them - the answer though is obvious. He did not think that they rose to the level that justified removing him from office.

As to me, I absolutely did not want the House to impeach Clinton over this. I did not think it sufficient reason to change an election and personally, I did not want the constant discussion it led to --- all of which was repeated by the young kids I drove in middle school car pools.

IMO, while Clinton is clearly at least 10 times the successful politician that Feingold was - Feingold has at least 10 times the character and integrity that Clinton has --- both could have been better had they become more like the best side of the other.

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In the event he is impeached, will Senate Democrats even have Obama's back? [View all] Drunken Irishman Nov 2014 OP

they can't stop them now.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #1

To complete an impeachment process, it requires a 2/3 vote from the Senate to convict MiniMe Nov 2014 #3

There are 6 that will vote often with Republicans... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #4

and all 6 need to be driven out of the party they cannot be counted on or trusted IdiocracyTheNewNorm Nov 2014 #25

6 still won't get them to 2/3 MiniMe Nov 2014 #35

In the new Senate, the repubs would need 12 Democrats voting with them... Spazito Nov 2014 #37

Angus King is an Independent not in the avebury Nov 2014 #121

There will be no impeachment Wella Nov 2014 #2

I doubt that Obama is going to give his veto pen much of a workout Art_from_Ark Nov 2014 #5

He's had a Democratic Senate--Reid blocked a lot of looney bills Wella Nov 2014 #7

I agree that vetoes will have to happen Art_from_Ark Nov 2014 #14

But Dems run well on the fear of a GOP president putting through personhood amendments and Wella Nov 2014 #18

Since when do Dems "handle it right"? world wide wally Nov 2014 #24

Well, you got me there. Wella Nov 2014 #49

only because this is the Less than Do Nothing Congress... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #8

So, he only Vetoed two.. they were good ones, though. Cha Nov 2014 #9

With the GOP in charge, looney bills will make their way to Obama's desk Wella Nov 2014 #11

^^ THIS! Atman Nov 2014 #126

Then there should be a "Save the Republican Party" bill LiberalFighter Nov 2014 #128

Exactly Wella Nov 2014 #139

They don't require winning it.....just basting him with the charge. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #48

Impeachment will SINK the GOP, not help it Wella Nov 2014 #103

they are the Teabaggers...they don't care about that shit....the more shit they stir the better VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #105

Nonsense. Party discipline comes from The Bronzer and Turtleman, neither of whom are Tea Party. Wella Nov 2014 #107

Nonsense....the party discipline obviously is not really in control anymore... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #108

You really don't understand how things work, do you? Wella Nov 2014 #109

No I do understand....very well.....watch and see yourself. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #110

The GOP has nothing to win and EVERYTHING to LOSE with impeachment Wella Nov 2014 #111

"Oh they wouldn't shut down government"....that wouldn't be a politically sound move VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #112

Watch and learn, grasshopper. Wella Nov 2014 #113

Not your grasshopper....you watch and learn.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #114

ROFLMAO! Wella Nov 2014 #144

I think they'd happily throw 2016... jmowreader Nov 2014 #142

Nah. Their corporate sponsors would never let them. Wella Nov 2014 #143

NO YOU watch....the Teabaggers are NOT beholden to them....They are Nucking Futz! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #145

Lexapro Wella Nov 2014 #146

I think you're right Wella Yupster Nov 2014 #70

Yes, that seems to be the plan Wella Nov 2014 #104

"..Namely that prick from West Virgina.." lol Just to show off for his constituents. Cha Nov 2014 #6

He is talking about running for WV governor in 2016, it would be a plus for doc03 Nov 2014 #56

Impeached for WHAT? WhiteAndNerdy Nov 2014 #10

they don't care...they will make shit up! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #12

Of course they'll make shit up. WhiteAndNerdy Nov 2014 #13

Yeah I think they will....They can Impeach him......it doesn't matter if it fails... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #15

Maybe, but I hope you're wrong. nt WhiteAndNerdy Nov 2014 #17

I hope I am too... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #27

President Obama will not lie under oath yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #26

The lie wasn't what the impeachment was about..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #28

Well regardless. We don't have any sexual yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #29

that has NOTHING to do with this.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #30

So what! You will not see impeachment of yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #31

their racists want it badly....and to ensure no other VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #69

For a person who's rarely wrong, Yupster Nov 2014 #74

I think they would love Senator Ted Cruz in the yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #77

Cause after all, he was born in Kenya and is not an American citizen! MoonRiver Nov 2014 #67

Well, according to the Repukes, being a President while Black is an impeachable offense. nt madinmaryland Nov 2014 #53

Completely agree, but they actually will have less success in one important way than with Clinton karynnj Nov 2014 #83

You forget that the House is filled with Bettie Nov 2014 #34

It only takes a simple majority of votes in the House of Representatives to... Spazito Nov 2014 #40

Can you actually "make up shit" in an impeachment? nt Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2014 #50

Whatever gets you over 50 % of the vote Yupster Nov 2014 #76

Sure, if you have the votes. There is no independent arbiter, the rules are whatever they say they. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #78

I think it has been very frustrating for the Rs to have such a squeaky clean president loyalsister Nov 2014 #19

That's what I think, too. nt WhiteAndNerdy Nov 2014 #20

they will find something or make something up 0rganism Nov 2014 #41

BENGHAZI!! BENGHAZI!!! BENGHAZI!!!! KamaAina Nov 2014 #47

They could impeach for anything - there really isn't a definition Yupster Nov 2014 #71

Like for being a big fat poopie head! whistler162 Nov 2014 #123

Seriously not like Obama is new to going it alone. Never had much help imo to begin with. Rex Nov 2014 #16

They have always underestimated this President, Rex. sheshe2 Nov 2014 #52

I'm just gonna wait and see... TreasonousBastard Nov 2014 #21

Joe will! C Moon Nov 2014 #22

Home of the brave?.. yeah, right. world wide wally Nov 2014 #23

It is very unlikely the President will be impeached Lurks Often Nov 2014 #32

I HAVE WONDERED THE SAME THING MYSELF Old Nick Nov 2014 #33

... 99Forever Nov 2014 #36

Most will. There will be a few who back stab him like they did Clinton. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #38

All 45 Democrats in the Senate voted not guilty. former9thward Nov 2014 #43

Russ Feingold voted not to dismiss the charge wyldwolf Nov 2014 #46

Feingold man of principle and integrity karynnj Nov 2014 #85

If his 'principles' told him Clinton should be impeached and removed, he was an idiot wyldwolf Nov 2014 #86

Feinstein's censure was not voted on before the impeachment votes - karynnj Nov 2014 #88

So? Your defense of Feingold's actions shows your approval of that GOP circus wyldwolf Nov 2014 #89

No - it shows that he felt the process should be respected and there be a trial karynnj Nov 2014 #90

It shows he approved of the process and the reasoning wyldwolf Nov 2014 #92

First of all it would not have been a coup - even if Clinton were kicked out karynnj Nov 2014 #93

And I'll bet if Obama is impeached, you'll be for that, too wyldwolf Nov 2014 #95

Grow up and learn to read. Nowhere did I say I was for impeaching Clinton (nor in fact was Feingold karynnj Nov 2014 #96

By his actions and words, and by yours wyldwolf Nov 2014 #98

Not true to anyone that does not worship the all wonderful and completely innocent Bill Clinton karynnj Nov 2014 #99

completely true. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #100

Why then did Feingold vote "no" on both charges? karynnj Nov 2014 #101

Here's a word 'progressives' like to throw around: 'enabler.' wyldwolf Nov 2014 #102

Two can play at this game - Why are you so proud of Clinton's actions here karynnj Nov 2014 #115

There is no game your hero Feingold was a GOP enabler wyldwolf Nov 2014 #117

Feingold was never my hero, though I do respect him karynnj Nov 2014 #118

there was no perjury conviction. Fiengold, your hero, failed. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #119

You know why there were no perjury conviction. Clinton essentially took a plea bargain karynnj Nov 2014 #129

there was no perjury conviction. Fiengold's Judas maneuvers failed. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #130

Clinton issued a statement that his comments were false -- which is admitting he lied under oath karynnj Nov 2014 #133

In order to avoid prosecution by the GOP witchhunters (of which Feingold was an ally) wyldwolf Nov 2014 #134

No, to avoid being charged in a court of law for something that had become blatantly obvious karynnj Nov 2014 #135

that's what prosecution is. And it would have been done by GOP Witchhunters and Feingold. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #136

Bill Clinton lied under oath = perjury - get used to it It is fact. karynnj Nov 2014 #137

Perjury is a legal term. Clinton was not convicted. Fiengold cried . wyldwolf Nov 2014 #138

On his last day in office, Clinton plea bargained a deal Yupster Nov 2014 #140

But wasn't convicted, despite good old Russ's best efforts. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #141

The only people talking about impeachment are posters on DU. former9thward Nov 2014 #39

RW pundits and politicians are talking about it AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #42

RW 'pundits' talk about a lot of things. former9thward Nov 2014 #44

But that's how it usually starts AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #45

Joni Ernst has advocated impeachment and she is not the only one Bjorn Against Nov 2014 #55

I do know what I am talking about. former9thward Nov 2014 #60

She has been elected Senator Bjorn Against Nov 2014 #65

Well I would love to be able to make a bet with those who say there will be an impeachment. former9thward Nov 2014 #68

It's the most popular word on Fox n/t doc03 Nov 2014 #57

Fox does not run the leadership of either the House or the Senate. former9thward Nov 2014 #61

They better! If the gop goes through with an impeachment fight no Demorat can help in anyway. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #51

He will be impeached Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #54

If it goes to the Senate, by definition he will be impeached. Drunken Irishman Nov 2014 #59

Sure, but not convicted n/t Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #62

Yep.. the almighty asterisk .. SoCalDem Nov 2014 #73

Bingo. Drunken Irishman Nov 2014 #94

Not. Happening. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2014 #58

I know some Fauxgressives on the internet who would love to see the President thrown out. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #63

If the Democrats in Congress actually supported impeachment, which they won't, but if they did, the still_one Nov 2014 #64

Pugs still playing impeach and shutdown. lonestarnot Nov 2014 #66

Any Democrat who votes with the impeachers should understand right now that we will NEVER forget. jwirr Nov 2014 #72

Democratic vengeance isn't what it used to be. Sad but true. Paladin Nov 2014 #81

I know but there are a few things we the people can do: refuse to donate to the committees and go jwirr Nov 2014 #82

Me and most of my fellow Texas Democrats started doing that, some time ago. Paladin Nov 2014 #87

I am glad that you helped Wendy Davis also. The refusal to use Dean's 50 state method is a good jwirr Nov 2014 #116

I sure as hell miss Dr. Dean. (nt) Paladin Nov 2014 #120

If they don't back him it will destroy the democratic party. B Calm Nov 2014 #75

I can't see why the Republicans want to impeach him, given that it would just result in Biden being LeftishBrit Nov 2014 #79

Not only that but Joe would be furious with them and it would not go well. They could not use the jwirr Nov 2014 #125

Good question fredamae Nov 2014 #80

If not, they can kiss any electoral success goodbye... kentuck Nov 2014 #84

Of course they will. onenote Nov 2014 #91

If the repubs in the House vote to impeach onenote Nov 2014 #97

Excellent points! B Calm Nov 2014 #124

The President will have ZERO problem being acquitted in the Senate. BillZBubb Nov 2014 #106

This freedom to throw him under the bus fadedrose Nov 2014 #122

It won't happen. You can't impeach a president for making executive orders. They will drag this librechik Nov 2014 #127

Which Senate Democrats seem so keen to throw the President under the bus, and in what specific Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #131

A highly publicized impeachment planned by both sides wouldn't surprise me at all. woo me with science Nov 2014 #132