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In reply to the discussion: Why the Gruber tapes are so damaging to democrats and [View all]magical thyme
(14,881 posts)42. oh, woo me, there you go gumming up the works with facts
I never supported ACA. Insurance is not health care. Never has been and never will be. Insurance companies take your money in exchange for zero, zip, nada.
I've have been, and continue to be, excoriated here for not supporting ACA. I don't care. The people who claim I want to take away the sick person's health care don't understand that they seem to want me living in the street to pay for somebody else's health care.
What I found most stunning -- and shows how incredibly out of touch some people are -- was the DUer who bragged about how ACA cut his health insurance costs by $20,000.
That year I barely made $20,000. And I know there are plenty on this board and elsewhere making less than that. And there was a DUer who clearly makes a *lot* of money to be saving more money on health insurance than we earn bragging because we will be forced to subsiding his savings.
I will pay the penalty this year. I will pay the penalty next year. Actually, now that I have read that the penalty is only imposed by withholding tax returns, and not in any other way, and I won't have a tax return because my per diem health care delivery job doesn't withhold my federal taxes so I end up owing...I won't even have to worry about the penalty for not paying the penalty. So I may simply not pay the penalty, after all
In which case I, personally, become neutral on ACA because I can still remain outside the scam that health insurance is.
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Gruber isn't just "some MIT professor." He got a sole-source consulting contract.
Nuclear Unicorn
Nov 2014
#7
Because he was the one that wrote the lies that Pelosi couldn't see until she passed it. nt
Nuclear Unicorn
Nov 2014
#9
I have agreed to no RW lies. I have taken Gruber at his word. Pelosi too.
Nuclear Unicorn
Nov 2014
#32
This thread is about Gruber admitting he used lies and accounting gimmicks to make the law
Nuclear Unicorn
Nov 2014
#35
You can't explain away Gruber's numerous and repeated comments so you play the chump option. nt
Nuclear Unicorn
Nov 2014
#48
Is there nothing you will not twist into a pretzel to defend for this admin? nt
Mojorabbit
Nov 2014
#51
Actually our plutocracy depends on enough stupid people staying home for elections.
Rex
Nov 2014
#70
well, Pelosi tried to claim she never heard of Gruber and brush him off as nonexistant
magical thyme
Nov 2014
#43
Liberals are doing a pretty good job of pushing the liberal elitist meme, sadly
Recursion
Nov 2014
#64