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brooklynite

(91,820 posts)
75. Explain exactly what the two have to do with each other?
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:00 AM
Nov 2014

Let's accept that you're struggling and want a real progressive to fix things. What you're ignoring is that nominating the progressive is useless if the progressive can't actually get elected. President Obama implemented a health insurance program that doesn't work as well as single payer, but you wouldn't have gotten single payer implemented in this environment, so your choice is incremental change under a mainstream candidate vs. nothing under a Republican. You want Bernie Sanders? Great. Just explain exactly how he wins a national election.

As for me and my wife? I've worked for the Government for 25 years; my wife is a successful lawyer who works for responsible clients. We chose to under-pay for housing in our early years so we could afford a nice house later; we chose not to have children; and we invest our available funds responsibly to build a nest-egg. That answer your question?

Oh Yeah... I'll Kick It Again !!! WillyT Nov 2014 #1
And... WillyT Nov 2014 #2
And... Curiously... WillyT Nov 2014 #6
+1 merrily Nov 2014 #154
Let me get this straight leftofcool Nov 2014 #3
You And Yor Husband Built The Schools, The Roads To The Schools, The Busses That Use The Roads To... WillyT Nov 2014 #5
I was a teacher and yes, we do help build roads and schools leftofcool Nov 2014 #7
See... The 2K Per Year You And Your Husband Spent Each Year Mght Have Gotten You 100' Of Road... WillyT Nov 2014 #9
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #26
Well... blueboy... Appears To Be 12... WillyT Nov 2014 #30
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #37
Nah Man... I'm New Here... Just Gettin A Feel For The Place... WillyT Nov 2014 #40
. Rex Nov 2014 #44
gently, gently...... daleanime Nov 2014 #48
WillyT - what do you suppose that idiot was really saying with, "Well said. Well spoken."?.... marble falls Nov 2014 #57
"Fauxcahantas?" Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2014 #47
Do they come with jalapeno flavor? L0oniX Nov 2014 #102
ANd by paying it forward you mean voting in the way you would prefer them to vote? el_bryanto Nov 2014 #8
I Don't Think So Either... I Think It;s A Syndrome Used Agianst GW... WillyT Nov 2014 #12
If you were a mother in Iraq whose baby was blown to bits by our humanitarian bombs, you might see sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #33
+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Nov 2014 #46
Amen.... daleanime Nov 2014 #49
BTW ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #56
What a strange diversion from the topic at hand. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #61
Not a diversion whatsoever. NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #62
You said nothing related to the tragedies I posted about. You chose to turn those sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #64
No, sabrina ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #65
+ a big-ass number Bobbie Jo Nov 2014 #68
You supported Cheney/Bush I presume? Did you say that when it counted btw? sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #128
You did what?? Bobbie Jo Nov 2014 #131
At Least She HAS Principles... WillyT Nov 2014 #73
"If your "principles" lead you to ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #91
Are you seriously espousing team over principles? LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #110
Are you seriously espousing ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #115
Me Too... Voted Straight D Every Time Since 1974... Sometimes Holding My Nose, Sometimes Not... WillyT Nov 2014 #116
And "the chronically insane" ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #118
Agreed... The Rebublican Party Has Fallen A Loooong Way From Abe Lincoln And Teddy Roosevelt... WillyT Nov 2014 #119
I think you meant to say ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #120
True... WillyT Nov 2014 #121
Yeah, I know ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #138
So you would have supported the Iraq War Crime if Dems were the ones to start it? I'm trying to sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #133
"What you seem to be saying ..." NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #137
Party over Principles LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #171
Party AND principles. NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #196
That is exactly what you are witnessing. I have to say that I was very naive in 2003. I really sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #129
My principles are based on right v wrong. What are yours based on? sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #130
No, sabrina ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #136
Well, THIS is where we disagree: sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #142
How it "works" ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #144
Resorting now to condescension rather than explanation. I believe that when people believe they have sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #147
sabrina ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #148
Having trouble reading? Well, it is late I suppose. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #150
The answer to your question was in almost every sentence of the comment you responded to. Your sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #127
sabrina, you are an absolute master ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #135
Dead babies, yes, it is something lots of people prefer not to talk about anymore, isn't it? sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #141
Sabrina ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #143
WHY did you ask? Why are you always so angry when people don't agree with you? sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #145
Why are you assuming ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #146
Why are you amused? This is not an amusing topic. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #149
You are apparently of the belief ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #152
you know, your continual attempted "gaslighting" of sabrina... grasswire Nov 2014 #202
Nance, you are SUCH a belligerent person davidpdx Nov 2014 #151
That bullying you are experiencing is not helping Democrats get elected either. Jamastiene Nov 2014 #156
Yes, it is a perfect example of the sense of entitlement to votes regardless of what people are sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #176
+ 2,000,000,000 ReRe Nov 2014 #59
So if HRC ends up with the nomination what will you do? el_bryanto Nov 2014 #69
I think my comment was pretty clear. I will never support her. And I hope more Democrats make that sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #132
What I "interpret" your response to mean ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #140
Excuse me? 'Courage'? To tell the truth? Is that how you view politics? That one has to be some sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #178
Sorry, sabrina ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #195
I have never been bullied, intimidated or told what to think. That seems to sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #200
Amen! bvar22 Nov 2014 #87
K&R, sabrina 1 Carolina Nov 2014 #124
What we have lost is our sense of community. zeemike Nov 2014 #50
Yep... And That Some Here Have Bought Into It... Is Sad... And Yet Explains A Lot... WillyT Nov 2014 #53
That way of thinking is making me sick. BeanMusical Nov 2014 #172
You should delete that before the hide. L0oniX Nov 2014 #16
You did do it on the backs of others. We all did. You just don't get that you did. merrily Nov 2014 #155
Here's the main thing I got from your post philosslayer Nov 2014 #175
It sounds like a return of the "You didn't build that" threads. hughee99 Nov 2014 #177
, blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #4
Comparison BKH70041 Nov 2014 #11
Actually, leftofcool Nov 2014 #13
You are wasting your time arguing with internet malcontents FSogol Nov 2014 #18
Which makes absolutely no sense. leftofcool Nov 2014 #21
Yeah... Those Of Us That Grew Up Under The FDR Era... And Have Had It Corrupted Are The Malcontents WillyT Nov 2014 #23
Failing to whine non-stop on a web forum does not equal contentment. FSogol Nov 2014 #24
Why would you care if someone calls you a malcontent or a purist? BKH70041 Nov 2014 #25
Because they're obsessed with labels. baldguy Nov 2014 #95
Labels like repeatedly calling posters Union Scribe Nov 2014 #103
Fits when they advocate purges & litmus tests. baldguy Nov 2014 #122
Please explain 'malcontents', I have seen that epithet, mainly aimed at Democrats during the sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #134
"I have seen that epithet, mainly aimed at Democrats during the Bush/Cheney disastrous era" FSogol Nov 2014 #164
Rush Limbaugh probably started it. He dedicate a whole show to letting 'Liberal Malcontents' sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #194
Ohh, Rush used an English word to insult liberals, that means the word is a liberal insult? FSogol Nov 2014 #197
Great idea. LOL merrily Nov 2014 #159
Nice try. Rex Nov 2014 #15
Oh BKH70041 Nov 2014 #19
No I mean nice try at pretending you are unbiased. Rex Nov 2014 #20
Yes, if posting is the be all and end all. merrily Nov 2014 #157
k and r nashville_brook Nov 2014 #10
Super Kick and Rec. L0oniX Nov 2014 #14
They say liberals are purists then get mad if you don't agree with them. Rex Nov 2014 #17
Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #22
Silly rabbit. Rex Nov 2014 #27
Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #31
Don't be sore just because you made a few bucks and I corrected you. Rex Nov 2014 #32
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #34
No doubt you grabbed your dad's newspaper and gave it a quick look. Rex Nov 2014 #35
Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #42
LOL! Rex Nov 2014 #43
"Kids are so creative these days." But for some of them, not for very long! marble falls Nov 2014 #54
MIRTs mighty hammer! Rex Nov 2014 #58
This really isn't very complicated. You either side with the 1% or the 99%. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #28
I'm not at war. leftofcool Nov 2014 #29
Not Yet... WillyT Nov 2014 #36
Addendum: WillyT Nov 2014 #38
So you are ok with the status quo? nm rhett o rick Nov 2014 #45
You're either with us Bobbie Jo Nov 2014 #70
That's how it works when good people are forced to stop a monstrous, destructive evil, Zorra Nov 2014 #74
Naw, walking lockstep is for Republicans leftofcool Nov 2014 #78
I would never accuse anyone of being a purist. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Nov 2014 #41
I don't fit any of your characterizations, Willy Old Nick Nov 2014 #51
And... It Was A Simple Question... Where I Did NOT Ask You... Where YOU Fit... WillyT Nov 2014 #60
I apologize for making assumptions about who you were referencing Old Nick Nov 2014 #63
'Purist' is a Third Way Think Tank Talking point invented around 2003 aimed at 'the Left' which the sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #52
+1 woo me with science Nov 2014 #67
Authoritarians do purges. Purists do litmus tests. Neither are in the Democratic Party tradition. baldguy Nov 2014 #93
Both of those OPs are about keeping Republicans out of the Democratic Party, including moderate sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #99
^^^THIS^^^ L0oniX Nov 2014 #100
Third Way does not hate us more than the Right. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #108
Thank you for the correction. You are absolutely right. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #109
I agree with heaven05 Nov 2014 #111
This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Nov 2014 #55
what history books are you reading? treestar Nov 2014 #66
What history books are YOU reading? WillyT Nov 2014 #71
Those Reagan policies are part of the past that gives me cold chills. Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #72
+1. That post about 'centrists' getting it all done and Marr Nov 2014 #77
Bravo, WillyT! Zorra Nov 2014 #83
Remembering our history Generic Other Nov 2014 #98
I've noticed that the Third Way apologists don't know an ounce of history. Rex Nov 2014 #106
Great post! neverforget Nov 2014 #126
You really need to do some reading. /nt Marr Nov 2014 #76
It should be embarrassing imo. Rex Nov 2014 #107
Explain exactly what the two have to do with each other? brooklynite Nov 2014 #75
Not to mention you are still working for change for others Phentex Nov 2014 #79
...but I'm still a 1%er, so that's all that counts... brooklynite Nov 2014 #80
shouldn't you send your assistant? Phentex Nov 2014 #82
That's what the 1%/Third Way and their tools keep telling us. Zorra Nov 2014 #84
You can have your faith all you want but the truth is still the truth. randome Nov 2014 #85
So prove me wrong...explain HOW Bernie Sanders (or equivalent) wins a national election... brooklynite Nov 2014 #86
"Last time I checked, they still let moderates and conservatives vote." baldguy Nov 2014 #96
The same way anyone generally wins an election. By getting enough votes for them counted Zorra Nov 2014 #170
Doesn't answer the question... brooklynite Nov 2014 #179
We don't know. It's never been tried. We actually even elected a black man who ran for President Zorra Nov 2014 #181
Understood, but if you want people to support him... brooklynite Nov 2014 #183
I believe that I can safely say that a large majority of Americans had no clue who Barack Obama Zorra Nov 2014 #184
If it makes you feel better to pretend to be David and Goliath, knock yourself out... brooklynite Nov 2014 #185
Yeppers. The RW even went so far as to gerrymander Rep. Kucinich out of office, so Zorra Nov 2014 #186
"silence even the threat of his voice in Congress"? brooklynite Nov 2014 #187
Are you too young to remember that Kucinich led Iraq War opposition in Congress? Zorra Nov 2014 #188
It's not leadership if nobody's following... brooklynite Nov 2014 #189
Wait...you just emphatically asked where his voice was. Zorra Nov 2014 #190
I never disputed his "voice"...I disputed his Leadership brooklynite Nov 2014 #191
They use the MSM, the media they own, to support their own candidates. Zorra Nov 2014 #192
Ciao. Still didn't answer the question... brooklynite Nov 2014 #193
Let's see if I've got this straight FBaggins Nov 2014 #81
Yes, all wealthy people are conservative, just like all working class people are liberal..... brooklynite Nov 2014 #198
Even with the missing sarcasm tag... that wouldn't go far enough. FBaggins Nov 2014 #199
Last Kick From Me... WillyT Nov 2014 #88
How can you rationally argue the purges & litmus tests aren't a campaign for purity? baldguy Nov 2014 #89
I Argue On Behalf Of Those That Got Us This Far... WillyT Nov 2014 #90
And none of of those downtrodden masses would be able to pass all of your purity tests. baldguy Nov 2014 #92
K&R to the nth degree nt LiberalElite Nov 2014 #94
I guess my question is- Is there any principle they would not abandon to win? n2doc Nov 2014 #97
An extremely interesting question....... L0oniX Nov 2014 #101
This from your OP is so correct: sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #104
FDR "We must become radicals for a generation" that is what is needed n/t librechik Nov 2014 #105
Excellent questions. n.t 99Forever Nov 2014 #112
I'm doing fine maxrandb Nov 2014 #113
You Don't Seem Fine... And The Benefits YOU Have... Started With THESE People... WillyT Nov 2014 #114
Please don't lecture me about the great that unions have done maxrandb Nov 2014 #117
Well that scenerio would sure wake people up to the realities of the T crazies! I like it. RiverLover Nov 2014 #123
The purist isn't any different from the Teabagger. baldguy Nov 2014 #125
You're a purist. We all are purists about different things. merrily Nov 2014 #158
Not liberals; but "liberals". Note the difference. baldguy Nov 2014 #161
Whatever, dude. merrily Nov 2014 #162
ďAn insincere and evil friend is more to be feared than a wild beast; ..." baldguy Nov 2014 #163
Well, I guess you would know. merrily Nov 2014 #165
LOL +1~ RiverLover Nov 2014 #166
I know that on today's DU the Democrats get TS'd and the Democrat haters get kudos. baldguy Nov 2014 #167
Perfect response. Rex Nov 2014 #180
Thanks. I was admiring your responses on this thread, including to name removed. merrily Nov 2014 #182
+1 Well said. Should be an orignal post. n/t FSogol Nov 2014 #168
I call bs. merrily Nov 2014 #160
Proud to kick and rec this thread Aerows Nov 2014 #139
None of your beeswax, but let me put it this way instead: merrily Nov 2014 #153
LOL !!! - Ya Know merrily... I Really Wasn't Looking For Numbers And Personal Information... WillyT Nov 2014 #173
I know you weren't. merrily Nov 2014 #174
Amen. woo me with science Nov 2014 #169
The poor don't matter jeepers Nov 2014 #201
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