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Hoyt

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136. That's tough, but I bet public option will be a big part of the 2016 Prez debate.

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 05:03 PM

Nov 2014

I think a few states within the next year will expand Medicaid, too much federal money to let go.

But, who knows with this Congress.

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If you want to screw the ACA, do you want the disabled to be charged more for insurance than others? [View all] CreekDog Nov 2014 OP

Good questions, I look forward to the responses from those who... Spazito Nov 2014 #1

I'm good with the ACA, but do people really need to tell the Autumn Nov 2014 #2

Yeah well I HAVE used it when I was on Unemployment.....I would rather have it... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #3

So what, and who is telling lies about the ACA and how do you know Autumn Nov 2014 #6

You seriously believe no one has been on DU with an anti ACA agenda and lied about it? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #12

Lies about the ACA is an issue you have brought up. I responded to an OP on the ACA, Autumn Nov 2014 #20

One just happened on this very thread.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #23

I'm blaming no one. But it does seem that is a problem that could have been taken care of Autumn Nov 2014 #10

How would they freaking know that....do they have crystal balls? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #13

Any politician, especially Democrats who are supposedly smarter should have known that the Autumn Nov 2014 #24

ah....but some "puke" governors DIDN'T do that.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #30

No, the states don't have to make up the shortfall SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2014 #144

You're right, Autumn. Shemp Howard Nov 2014 #129

It was what 3 republicans and 3 Democrats who wrote it? Autumn Nov 2014 #130

All most of us ask is to show some empathy for those of us in red state hell. Lars39 Nov 2014 #14

No but your hospitals are going to demand it for you..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #16

You have to recognize problems before you can solve them. Lars39 Nov 2014 #18

that is NOT a problem with the ACA...as I already stated..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #19

What is the lie you are talking about? Lars39 Nov 2014 #22

that it is a problem of the ACA that some states didn't implement it....thats a lie VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #25

There are people with legitimate complaints in the states thar did expand. Lars39 Nov 2014 #33

and that is ANOTHER Lie.....it is favored by 70% of those who have used it... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #35

That doesn't mean there aren't problems and concerns that need to be fixed. Lars39 Nov 2014 #38

No one said it cannot be improved just like every other Fed. program has.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #39

Can't be improved if the problems are ignored. Lars39 Nov 2014 #47

It is Not ignored...as I already told you.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #50

Why assume people aren't? And why haven't blue staters rolled up their sleeves to help also? Lars39 Nov 2014 #51

What else do you want Blue Staters to do? Go to war with Red Staters and force it on them? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #78

That's all you can suggest? Lars39 Nov 2014 #93

what else do you want? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #97

The usual is always welcome and helpful...warm bodies and money to help organize. Lars39 Nov 2014 #102

In worry that instead, they will Mr.Bill Nov 2014 #101

Honey try reading instead of screeching for a minute. I said that was the fault of the politicians Autumn Nov 2014 #34

I am NOT your Honey....thats sexist... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #36

For the last time, the ACA did not fucking write itself. Red state governors did not write it. Autumn Nov 2014 #42

for Everytime...I will NOT stand by and allow lies to be told about the ACA....PERIOD! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #46

OMFG Autumn Nov 2014 #53

thats all you got? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #54

That's all I need Autumn Nov 2014 #55

Oh you need something alright..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #57

"I will NOT stand by and allow lies to be told about the ACA....PERIOD!" Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #88

I told Vanilla the other day that I didn't know Autumn Nov 2014 #96

No, they didn't "have" to know that. Rethugs have a long history of demanding pnwmom Nov 2014 #81

twice in one thread...thanks again.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #87

I'm just going to say that this was talked about on DU when the ACA was being written Autumn Nov 2014 #94

I never saw any posts saying that the Rethugs would reject state control. But let's pretend pnwmom Nov 2014 #113

You know I'm not going to argue with you. So you go on and have a nice day. Autumn Nov 2014 #117

Actually, it was the Republicans who did not want one national system but rather JDPriestly Nov 2014 #126

Did the ACA gives states the option to opt out? joeglow3 Nov 2014 #69

It gives them the option to Opt into a Single Payer System if they want... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #72

No. I am just saying there were flaws with the ACA joeglow3 Nov 2014 #77

No it sounds like the truth....the truth is some states didn't expand Medicaid.....they are governed VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #79

draft a bill that didn't allow the states to avoid expansion? joeglow3 Nov 2014 #80

and you think that will pass? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #84

All the Republicans already opposed it. What more could they have done? Super opposed it? joeglow3 Nov 2014 #91

what more do you think could have happened....Republicans are dragging their feet on this VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #100

Which is fine. But people can still point out how it sucks that they didn't just require it joeglow3 Nov 2014 #104

but they can't blame it on the ACA...what sucks is Republicans... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #107

I am not hammering the bill, as a whole joeglow3 Nov 2014 #115

but instead of asking for help they say...."Screw the ACA" VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #116

They thought they had. But it was a 900 page bill and a SCOTUS that acts politically pnwmom Nov 2014 #95

They did! The Supreme Court ruled that it was unconstitutional. ieoeja Nov 2014 #105

And yet, the drinking age is 21 in every state joeglow3 Nov 2014 #108

And yet people voted for the drinking age..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #111

and Yeah....Republicans would vote to allow THAT to happen....(O medicaid funds) VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #114

At which point, you could say you did everything you could joeglow3 Nov 2014 #121

Legislature had nothing to do with that. ieoeja Nov 2014 #128

No, it doesn't -- unless they go even further and choose single payer. pnwmom Nov 2014 #82

thank you.....much more eloquent than I... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #86

The Supreme Court gave them the right to opt out. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #127

No, they always had that right. The SC just affirmed it joeglow3 Nov 2014 #137

Exactly the point I was going to make ... staggerleem Nov 2014 #135

I'll tell you what sucks and it sure isn't complaints about the ACA. Autumn Nov 2014 #26

And I will continue to tell the truth about the ACA with first hand knowledge..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #27

Tell me what I lied about if you would please. Autumn Nov 2014 #29

that the problem that SOME states didn't accept the ACA was with the ACA....not that states Governor VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #32

Maybe you are telling a lie about experiencing ACA while unemployed.....first hand. Autumn Nov 2014 #37

But I am not....do try to keep up yourself. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #44

Prove to me you are not telling lies. if you were to read what I said Autumn Nov 2014 #52

It is NOT the fault of the ACA that YOUR state didn't accept it. Apparently your neighbors VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #56

Well your crystal balls failed you. My state did accept it. Autumn Nov 2014 #61

then WTF is YOUR problem... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #66

My problem is that I posted a reply to a very good OP and you come in not Autumn Nov 2014 #70

No I am attacking your ridiculousness blaming ACA for Red states not adopting in..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #74

You assume that anyone who speaks about a problem with it is lying. Lars39 Nov 2014 #71

Yeah they are also some that are willfully misinformed too... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #76

i agree with you, my complaint is with those that would have it repealed knowing nothing replaces it CreekDog Nov 2014 #139

You know what, it is a "screw you,I got mine." mentality. Autumn Nov 2014 #64

No its not....its a your neighbors voted Red....and apparently do not want the ACA.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #67

OMG are you capable of reading this earlier response to YOU? Autumn Nov 2014 #73

your pablum? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #75

The gripe and concern should be about your Republican politicians. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #119

No State expanded Medicare. Medicaid was expanded. Not the same thing. Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #15

its was a typo... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #17

Same with all those people who hate Obama and refused to give up their old plan that did not fit the jwirr Nov 2014 #21

One thing that frustrates me about the law.. Rstrstx Nov 2014 #83

Oh you are going to need to shop proof of that..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #89

Don't follow Rstrstx Nov 2014 #92

source please.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #110

PPACA 1401 Sec 36b (c) Rstrstx Nov 2014 #118

You need to provide the other poster some proof that your claim, which sounds like complete nonsense ieoeja Nov 2014 #112

I think you missed the point Rstrstx Nov 2014 #120

I just don't suffer fools lightly....thank you very much... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #123

insurance companies charge young people more for their car insurance belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #4

Some folks have a kind of psychological autoimmune disorder about ACA. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #5

+1 moriah Nov 2014 #8

For those who feel that way it is time they go look at Social Security and Medicaid and Medicare. jwirr Nov 2014 #28

Exactly. Heck, Medicare didn't cover prescription drugs until 2005. Hoyt Nov 2014 #41

Except-- YarnAddict Nov 2014 #106

Very good question. At least we should have gotten to take it to the floor. jwirr Nov 2014 #125

There were Dems that had to be "bribed" to vote for ACA, they would not have gone for single payer. Hoyt Nov 2014 #132

How soon do you think it will happen? n/t YarnAddict Nov 2014 #134

That's tough, but I bet public option will be a big part of the 2016 Prez debate. Hoyt Nov 2014 #136

Single-payer advocates were forcibly removed from ACA hearings Art_from_Ark Nov 2014 #138

Thank you. I have health coverage thanks to the ACA. moriah Nov 2014 #7

It is a stepping stone UglyGreed Nov 2014 #9

People are still UglyGreed Nov 2014 #11

Every state has Community Mental Health Center block grants. moriah Nov 2014 #31

I sure there other examples UglyGreed Nov 2014 #58

the whole point of capitalism is to make sure some do without Doctor_J Nov 2014 #60

+1000 N/T UglyGreed Nov 2014 #62

No. do you think we should be giving insurance companies half trillion dollars in profit every year Doctor_J Nov 2014 #40

ACA increased the number of people with single payer healthcare in the USA. CreekDog Nov 2014 #43

People want single payer - TBF Nov 2014 #45

well then people have to vote for that....this last election...they sure didn't. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #49

I do too, and ACA expanded single payer CreekDog Nov 2014 #65

You cannot please all the people all the time GusBob Nov 2014 #48

Stale, offensive Third Way talking points. Moving on to another thread now. woo me with science Nov 2014 #59

Stale, offensive name-calling. pnwmom Nov 2014 #85

This is an excellent post. Thank you for your effort here. And "third way" is a fine nickname for RadiationTherapy Nov 2014 #122

The opposed prefer paying for endless WAR! B Calm Nov 2014 #63

I want our Gov. to give all the funds to another country Canada/UK and let that country Sunlei Nov 2014 #68

My answers... CANDO Nov 2014 #90

Real issue is privates want all sick people on Medicare and Medicaid. McCamy Taylor Nov 2014 #98

Keep ACA as a stopgap Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #99

I have Medicare, and I want to see the ACA strengthened and improved. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #103

I do not think anybody here disagrees (or may be I missed something). Mass Nov 2014 #109

ACA isn't interim single-payer Man from Pickens Nov 2014 #124

I want the concept of insurance to be irrelevant in discussions of necessary, urgent, and chronic Ed Suspicious Nov 2014 #131

Would be nice, but it's a long time coming. Providers, suppliers and even consumers are going to Hoyt Nov 2014 #133

"The disabled" are on Medicare Pastiche423 Nov 2014 #140

No, only some of the disabled are on Medicare CreekDog Nov 2014 #141

The disabled on SSDI get Medicare Pastiche423 Nov 2014 #142

YES you are wrong, because not all the disabled are on SSI CreekDog Nov 2014 #143

Once again you ARE WRONG! Pastiche423 Nov 2014 #146

Read your own link, it proves you wrong CreekDog Nov 2014 #147

" You said the disabled get SSI and Medicare. " Pastiche423 Nov 2014 #149

With a few exceptions, there is a two year waiting period dflprincess Nov 2014 #148

and there's plenty of disabled people who don't qualify for either CreekDog Nov 2014 #151

you said the disabled are on Medicare CreekDog Nov 2014 #150

Read your DU mail Pastiche423 Nov 2014 #152

the one where you asked if i was not able to read due to a disability? CreekDog Nov 2014 #153

No Pastiche423 Nov 2014 #154

let's just agree on this, okay: Some of the disabled have private health insurance CreekDog Nov 2014 #155

Senator Bernie Sanders thinks ACA/Obamacare is Actually Helping People.. Cha Nov 2014 #145

I suspect the answer they will give is they want a public option or medicare for all. However, one still_one Nov 2014 #156

Agree, but I'm wondering what prompted the OP. merrily Nov 2014 #157

there was an OP that said "screw the ACA" CreekDog Nov 2014 #158

Thanks for the info about "the beginning of the film." Absolutely agree with you. merrily Nov 2014 #159