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Thinkingabout

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135. I have explained this several times but here goes again.

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 05:52 PM

Nov 2014

In our world today we have not installed enough solar, wind or water power to do without oil products. There are lots of products besides gas for your vehicle, trains, trucks, buses and planes needs in order to operate. Years before oil production was necessary but fossil fuels was used and was not the cleanest but used anyway. People actually walked and rode horses and buggies, etc to travel. You must also realize other bi-products of oil which we have become accustomed to using so to completely do away with crude may not be what many are nit willing to give up.

I gave not been kind to KXL, but when I hear of trains derailing and having large spills and some near people's homes it is oblivious this method of transportation is not safe, perhaps because if our failing rails. Then I have to look at the best method to transport this crude, it is better in a pipeline than rail.

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The Democrats on here who think progressives are looking for a "pure" candidate are wrong. [View all] kentuck Nov 2014 OP

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No, thanks to this. You're in the wrong place, I think. MineralMan Nov 2014 #3

I saw his Facebook, btw. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #18

Someone like this? Puglover Nov 2014 #2

He'd be great gwheezie Nov 2014 #4

That's my Senator! You go, Al! MineralMan Nov 2014 #7

Lucky you..... paleotn Nov 2014 #32

"The Minnesota senator showed Dems how to win." RiverLover Nov 2014 #23

Thanks. I hope you post this link and a little of the article separately. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #90

Just what issue do you think Third Wayers and DLC is against the interest of the people? Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #5

Keystone and Wall Street... kentuck Nov 2014 #6

do you support the 50 State Strategy? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #8

Yes. greiner3 Nov 2014 #133

then you understand that means possibly having to run Conservadems in some states right? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #136

Endless ME wars for another 99th_Monkey Nov 2014 #11

Don't forget the drones are killing outside the ME as well. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #21

Are you criticizing our courageous, joystick-wielding members of the military?? RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #37

It amazes me how many seem to forget... F4lconF16 Nov 2014 #43

Plus a gazillion Vattel Nov 2014 #46

Do you have a better idea to discourage radicals from the ME from bombing and killing Americans? Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #53

Give them reasons to like us, rather than reasons to hate us? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #58

They do not like us because of their religion, they have fought for eons among Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #64

Wrong! lark Nov 2014 #71

Did I say Islam, no, I did not. Are you saying they have not had wars between those who live in the Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #94

Who were you referring to if not them? lark Nov 2014 #124

Since Islam began around 600 ad the waes had been occurring many years before this. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #132

This started a LONG time ago in Iran, when the CIA helped overthrow an ELECTED GOVERNMENT THERE! cascadiance Nov 2014 #91

You don't see many terrorists bombing Sweden, do you? Nevernose Nov 2014 #108

+1 LiberalLovinLug Nov 2014 #122

Remember how Cheney said "I would much rather be Feared than Loved" Bandit Nov 2014 #131

What ^ EBBSN ^ Said nt 99th_Monkey Nov 2014 #65

Are you for continuing the transportation of crude by rail, if you are for the Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #52

There are other factors besides just the transporting... kentuck Nov 2014 #67

The truth is the Koch brothers are getting the crude delivered, there have been accidents, there wil Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #68

And pass a law where they don't even have any responsibility to clean it up? kentuck Nov 2014 #76

What law are you talking about, link. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #82

Until Kentuck gets back, here you go~ RiverLover Nov 2014 #95

I'm back River Lover.. kentuck Nov 2014 #99

Nothing wrong with expecting violators of spills to pay for the cleanup. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #119

Or we can choose to use less oil, and won't need the pipeline Fiendish Thingy Nov 2014 #117

Are you ready to give up everything furnished by oil products? Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #120

You are setting up a false choice hueymahl Nov 2014 #123

I have explained this several times but here goes again. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #135

I still think you are setting up a false choice hueymahl Nov 2014 #140

I didn't say use NO oil Fiendish Thingy Nov 2014 #137

Well you are, it is being shipped by rail to gulf coasts refineries. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #138

Social Security for one. NorthCarolina Nov 2014 #12

And I have provided lists again and again. Let's start with the NSA/CIA Security State overreach. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #13

Corporate for-profit health insurance Doctor_J Nov 2014 #15

TPP for one. Hillary supports it, along with Obama. RiverLover Nov 2014 #26

Appreciate the info. and need to undertsand the consequences of this TPP Trade Agreement. appalachiablue Nov 2014 #33

It is truly frightening. ~nt RiverLover Nov 2014 #36

Welcome to DU, appalachiablue. brer cat Nov 2014 #84

Hi, nice to be here. Cute kitty. appalachiablue Nov 2014 #86

You've gotten quite a few answers. Union Scribe Nov 2014 #29

Privatizing public education and offshoring US jobs abelenkpe Nov 2014 #39

Are phoney "progressives" rat fuckers, or just victims of rat fuckers? baldguy Nov 2014 #9

lol AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #10

Thread Winner BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #97

You think it's better... tonedevil Nov 2014 #17

That's what the rat fuckers want us to believe. baldguy Nov 2014 #20

Just throwing together buzzwords Union Scribe Nov 2014 #31

As if the phoney "progressive" purity brigade is doing anything else. baldguy Nov 2014 #42

Wall Street own the Republican Party. sulphurdunn Nov 2014 #55

Donald Sagretti would be proud of you. baldguy Nov 2014 #56

The point? sulphurdunn Nov 2014 #62

The only people I see trying to "purge" others Union Scribe Nov 2014 #69

Awesome post!!!!! Thank you US!! ~nt RiverLover Nov 2014 #73

Wrong. The people explicitly calling for purges & litmus tests want to get rid Clinton supporters. baldguy Nov 2014 #78

! cui bono Nov 2014 #128

They're not rat fuckers or victims of rat fuckers.... paleotn Nov 2014 #51

They use a lubricated condom. sulphurdunn Nov 2014 #57

Nope. Supporting.... paleotn Nov 2014 #45

What constituted the heart of the Republican party 30 yrs ago & are now middle of the road Dems baldguy Nov 2014 #49

How come many of these states that voted in Republicans also wanted to raise the minimum wage? cascadiance Nov 2014 #93

Because they thought the Dems didn't share their views baldguy Nov 2014 #98

What views now would I be alienating them from? cascadiance Nov 2014 #100

Take your pick. You're ready to throw anyone who even speaks to a Republican into a bottomless pit. baldguy Nov 2014 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author cui bono Nov 2014 #129

Don't you know, if we just had FDR running the joint, our problems would be solved! MADem Nov 2014 #102

I love his reply. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #72

Pretty much BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #96

Pretty much, indeed. It's beyond me to keep on trying to explain Nay Nov 2014 #106

The more we capitulate to the right via centrists, the further rightward they drag Ed Suspicious Nov 2014 #110

Third Way flame bait threads are now a permanent part of DU Doctor_J Nov 2014 #14

Totally agree. I strongly supported Howard Dean, but had major issues with some of his positions RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #16

Neoliberalism is the primary issue. Call it what it is. appalachiablue Nov 2014 #28

Yes. Rightwingers may have appalling views, but many are not neoliberals RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #30

Neoliberalism is an economic school that says that the free market is the answer. eomer Nov 2014 #70

Right wing politics are not as monolithic as you seem to think they are RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #74

Those are just a bunch of characteristics that are orthogonal to being neoliberal. eomer Nov 2014 #80

I'll answer you. They are rightwingers who never win their primaries here in the US. stevenleser Nov 2014 #139

Ironically, the ones who scream about "purists" demand purity in voting. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #19

Exactimundo. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #24

Hilariously, they dismiss the Left as irrelevant and powerless and then blame it for their losses. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #25

LOL ...that is exactly what they do. L0oniX Nov 2014 #114

Funny how that works RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #48

Third Way apologists ...be careful what you wish for LiberalLovinLug Nov 2014 #125

Yep - followers follow, no matter how corrupt the leader. polichick Nov 2014 #83

Yeah, they're projecting a lot, isn't it? BeanMusical Nov 2014 #111

^^^THIS^^^ L0oniX Nov 2014 #113

You are to kind calling them Dems. Rex Nov 2014 #22

We are right treestar Nov 2014 #27

All discussion of any candidate who is not DLC or Third Way MUST be shouted down! ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #34

this is rather true PatrynXX Nov 2014 #35

You're right. And flinging "purity test," "f" words, or anger attacks around do not lexington filly Nov 2014 #38

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Nov 2014 #40

I think Progressives are looking at several candidates including Hillary. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #41

Then they should look at these RiverLover Nov 2014 #47

Hillary supporters are not blind. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #50

And she sure as hell ain't progressive either... truebrit71 Nov 2014 #59

She is a good Democrat. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #60

That is very debatable... truebrit71 Nov 2014 #61

Well it is my opinion. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #63

She have interesting friends. BeanMusical Nov 2014 #112

Thats exactly what Papa Paul said! Cryptoad Nov 2014 #44

If you support any of this agenda... onecaliberal Nov 2014 #54

They know that, that old 'purity' stuff is a DLC/Third Way talking point, from a Think Tank aimed at sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #66

This last time around they got their asses handed to them on a silver platter. Rex Nov 2014 #75

Yes, the arrogance and nastiness which they actually thought was the way to sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #81

There's a Difference Between 'Pure' and 'True'--IMO RadicalGeek Nov 2014 #77

Yes. That's how I see it as well. RiverLover Nov 2014 #79

A Lot Of It May Be RadicalGeek Nov 2014 #103

we do not want a pure candidate DonCoquixote Nov 2014 #85

The "right" steals our power by calling Progressives "the Loony Left." Utopian Leftist Nov 2014 #87

I take it personally. L0oniX Nov 2014 #115

Kick and rec for pissing off all the right people! Rex Nov 2014 #88

My heart is stlll with... nikto Nov 2014 #89

as I've long seen and argued it to those around here stupidicus Nov 2014 #92

This Democrat has no desire to support the Republican wing of the Democratic Party. democrank Nov 2014 #101

Yeah, and the Democrats here who think that any expression of support cheapdate Nov 2014 #104

They want to excuse conservadems for some of the most atrocious votes. Jamastiene Nov 2014 #105

You can shout all the way to the mountain top Legalequilibrium78 Nov 2014 #109

And there you have it folks. Find a good corporate backed rich person to vote for. L0oniX Nov 2014 #116

Um, the tea party would disagree with you hueymahl Nov 2014 #126

Just an observation--nobody gave an example of a Third Way position... brooklynite Nov 2014 #118

They look upon it as a popularity contest 47of74 Nov 2014 #121

There is not going to be a progressive presidential upaloopa Nov 2014 #127

The conflict here ... staggerleem Nov 2014 #130

Kick LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #134