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yourpicturehere

(54 posts)
21. told ya so
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 07:46 AM
Nov 2014

The OP is totally right...

The problem with the word "guardian" is the legalese that it represents. If you "own" an animal, it is yours. If you are an animal's guardian, he/she is like your children, any offense can get it taken away, like being outside "unsupervised". My dogs are outside playing most of the day. They have a 6' fence around a 1/4 acre. Yes, I go out and play with them (and pick up the doo). I check for holes (they love to dig) around the fence, and look for anything they may have gotten into that they shouldn't (like destroying their water bucket). I would be a bad "guardian" because I am not out there all the time. Remember the people that had their children taken away because they were allowed to go to the park on their own?

My dogs have required a lot of time, a lot of money (get chemo on a dog and see if it's cheap), and a lot of resources that required a lot of sacrifices. I WOULDN'T CHANGE A THING! I love my dogs and my life with them, but I would be a bad "guardian"...ten grand to try to save a dog's life wouldn't matter. Loving my dogs wouldn't matter.

Yes, there are bad people that adopt. They think that animals are disposable or toys for the kids and when things don't work out, back to the shelter. I do rescue for my breed and the really heart-breaking ones are the old dogs that "are too much trouble". I have kept several of those for the rest of their lives. They get treated just like the show dogs...lots of attention, lots of toys, lots of pats and raw, fresh meat. I had one who had no idea what toys were. I was in the process of picking up the toys and getting them out of the way so we could blow the leaves and this dog found himself in the middle of a pile of toys and he went "EEEEHAAA!" and pounced and toys went everywhere. It was GREAT! BUT, I would be a bad guardian.

Some people that have all the right answers are still bad owners. The funny part is that, if I decide to place a puppy and ask all these questions and have contracts and turn someone down, I am an elitist. Every puppy born here (and there haven't been that many, and yes, I knew and know where they are, how they are kept and how well taken care of they are) is MY puppy forever, whether they live here or not and I am RESPONSIBLE for them for the rest of their lives. That is MY contract with my breed.

Gotta go now and can't reply, so have fun! But also watch who you defend and who you support because if if this goes on we will all be playing with pet rocks.

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Kudos for going to shelter, but I really think you are over-analyzing the contract. Hoyt Nov 2014 #1
I agree. femmocrat Nov 2014 #3
Agreed. Examples of rescue groups reclaiming animals? FSogol Nov 2014 #24
I'm a volunteer at our local no-kill shelter YarnAddict Nov 2014 #36
Thanks. I suspected that the clause was for cases of abuse/neglect. n/t FSogol Nov 2014 #40
The "supervised in yard" allows them to retrieve neglected dogs who are left out 24/7 Warpy Nov 2014 #26
I agree...and I think that GC for this organization is over-reacting... joeybee12 Nov 2014 #38
It would be nice if homeless children received such concern. eom PDJane Nov 2014 #2
What's your point? nt LiberalElite Nov 2014 #8
Oh yeah, adopting a kid is a breeze compared to going to the animal shelter. LeftyMom Nov 2014 #9
Gevalt. I would like homeless children be given a home, comfort, concern, PDJane Nov 2014 #12
You're hijacking a thread that has nothing to do with that issue. LeftyMom Nov 2014 #16
Now, Speaking of Threadjacking . . . ProfessorGAC Nov 2014 #29
An innocent statement, blown out of proportion Trajan Nov 2014 #28
the meanest place on earth? ROFLMAO snooper2 Nov 2014 #44
Disagree. grntuscarora Nov 2014 #4
Awww, the baby needs you n/t UTUSN Nov 2014 #5
Different places have different wording, standards and indeed the most restrictive do assume they uppityperson Nov 2014 #6
I'm sorry - I am happy to be my rescued fur baby's guardian, caretaker and owner. I don't care jillan Nov 2014 #7
+1 ~nt RiverLover Nov 2014 #14
Municipalities and advocacy groups increasingly avoid "owner" because an animal is not a thing. LeftyMom Nov 2014 #10
That Being Said . . . ProfessorGAC Nov 2014 #50
+1000...When you bring "owner" into the conversation Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #57
And if you sign it and don't do those things...then what? Egnever Nov 2014 #11
I adopted two deaf dogs. Laffy Kat Nov 2014 #13
You are awesome!! jillan Nov 2014 #15
Aww shucks; but, no. Laffy Kat Nov 2014 #23
Don't worry about the fine print. It's just regulations. elias49 Nov 2014 #17
NKS (no kill shelter) worker here. The dogs are "chipped" before adoption and contain our ID. lamp_shade Nov 2014 #18
Some shelters have some pretty scum bag agreements. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #19
What about apartment dwellers? PasadenaTrudy Nov 2014 #48
They were ok. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #61
Many years ago... sendero Nov 2014 #20
We went through the same thing Betty88 Nov 2014 #33
told ya so yourpicturehere Nov 2014 #21
A pet *should* be like a child and not be "owned". It is a living being, not a piece of furniture. moriah Nov 2014 #43
Thank you, thank you. You come closest to getting it. n/t truth2power Nov 2014 #49
Woof woof! KamaAina Nov 2014 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author OwnedByCats Nov 2014 #22
We've always ignored the "agreement" to not let our cats into the back yard... brooklynite Nov 2014 #25
Our rescue dog will not let us even stand at the door while she goes outside liberal N proud Nov 2014 #27
I wouldn't agree to it gwheezie Nov 2014 #30
In this case, the dog would NEVER be yours. THAT is the crux. I've tried to explain... truth2power Nov 2014 #46
They want to make sure the dog is treated well, and doesn't wind up back in the shelter bhikkhu Nov 2014 #31
Sorry, but shelters go way overboard here Recursion Nov 2014 #32
Thank you. n/t truth2power Nov 2014 #47
I just think the shelter is trying to idiot-proof their adoption paperwork Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #58
I think all contracts should be arranged to protect the party with the least power in the deal Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #34
+1 grntuscarora Nov 2014 #35
Don't worry about the contract YarnAddict Nov 2014 #37
+1 Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #53
I've signed that contract several times. Jokerman Nov 2014 #39
Is there any enforcement for this? Arugula Latte Nov 2014 #41
Drop by? yes. I would have no problem with that. But for 10-15 years?.. truth2power Nov 2014 #42
I hope this doesn't stop you from choosing a rescued pet. hamsterjill Nov 2014 #45
The last time I adopted at a shelter Hari Seldon Nov 2014 #51
I don't think dogs should be left outdoors when the owner is not home. Sunlei Nov 2014 #52
Had to sign more or less same for adopting cats HockeyMom Nov 2014 #54
Sounds like it is your first time with this LordGlenconner Nov 2014 #55
Sounds like the agency is trying to weed out bad owners. dilby Nov 2014 #56
there are laws against animal cruelty. truth2power Nov 2014 #62
Some of these dogs have already been abused. dilby Nov 2014 #63
Exactly. WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2014 #68
Here, spend time at The Patrick Miracle and tell us again... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2014 #67
Sign away... H. Cromwell Nov 2014 #59
I’m going to try to clarify some things. truth2power Nov 2014 #64
Pets are living beings, not furniture. moriah Nov 2014 #65
First of all, thank you, moriah, for a reasonable, polite response... truth2power Nov 2014 #66
It seems that a lot of people here are missing the point. Curmudgeoness Nov 2014 #69
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