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49. he was supported by virtually the entire party estabishment from the beginning

Reply to unrepentant progress (Reply #47)

Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:22 PM

Nov 2014

he was not proposing major sweeping New Deal type changes - just rather basic things that were quite mainstream at the time.

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At this point, I believe "the Centrists" must honestly believe that the rest of us have djean111 Nov 2014 #1

Treason? Over-react much? brooklynite Nov 2014 #2

Vanilla Rhapsody. cali Nov 2014 #4

:>))))) pangaia Nov 2014 #6

yes it went on for months because Gary Hart came out of no where and made it a race Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #5

The 'choice' we have today is an illusion. LuvNewcastle Nov 2014 #3

Exactly...Its all theater for FOOLS...even democrats have STUPID. billhicks76 Nov 2014 #7

Hillary Was President Of The College Republicans billhicks76 Nov 2014 #8

Her and Liz Warren were planning the repub takeover bigwillq Nov 2014 #11

Actually and factually, in 1984 Hillary was Democratic First Lady of Arkansas while Elizabeth Warren Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #14

The choice some of us want is not between Hillary and Liz Warren - it is a choice between djean111 Nov 2014 #26

You know my point is that it is shitty and incorrect to claim Hillary was a Republican in 1984 Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #71

IMO, that consideration of the problem is way too simple. HereSince1628 Nov 2014 #9

it was made absolutely clear from the beginning that Mondale was the inevitable nominee although Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #10

Mondale had establishment backing and was positioned to play rule changes HereSince1628 Nov 2014 #12

Thanks, brooklynite, for questioning this OP wyldwolf Nov 2014 #13

you're showing exactly what I pointed out above - Hart's charge disrupted the Mondale inevitability Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #15

what centrists were proclaiming Mondale's inevitability? wyldwolf Nov 2014 #17

first of all in 1984 Mondale himself would have been considered centrist in that time Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #18

"in 1984 Mondale himself would have been considered centrist" wyldwolf Nov 2014 #20

frankly, it was a more liberal time - the center has moved Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #21

there you go again. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #22

what you are not getting is that Mondale was a "centrist" of that time - the people Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #23

except he wasn't. And besides, that isn't what your OP alleges. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #24

you're defining conservative Democrats as centrist - political realities of today Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #25

No, actually I'm not. Conservative Dems had already bolted for Reaganland wyldwolf Nov 2014 #32

can you not at least TRY to be a little bit civil? after all if Hillary wins the Democratic Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #37

It's difficult when someone keeps stretching their 'theory' to counteract... wyldwolf Nov 2014 #41

recognizing that liberalism was once in the mainstream center of the Democratic Party is not Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #42

Mondale courted conservatives AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #62

quote the relevant parts that prove the OP wyldwolf Nov 2014 #75

Maybe in "liberal San Francisco". OilemFirchen Nov 2014 #28

The Hart "Monkey Business" scandal did not take place until June 1987 - that was a non issue in 1984 Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #29

My mistake. OilemFirchen Nov 2014 #35

but those ideas were mainsteam and in the middle of the Democratic party at the time Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #39

Debatable and irrelevant. OilemFirchen Nov 2014 #44

there seems to be a group of people who seem to think that to suggest any candidate other than Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #46

I doubt it. OilemFirchen Nov 2014 #53

in 1984 the party establishment did in fact for the most part rally behind Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #56

Pull the other one. OilemFirchen Nov 2014 #57

I am defining the word as implying someone is in the center or middle range Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #58

Except that it wasn't. OilemFirchen Nov 2014 #59

It's the very reason Carter selected Mondale wyldwolf Nov 2014 #40

There's historical facts, then there are Douglas Carpenter's version wyldwolf Nov 2014 #36

And the jury results are in.... aikoaiko Nov 2014 #43

According to this article, you are wrong AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #63

quote the relevant parts that prove the OP wyldwolf Nov 2014 #73

The facts are not on your side unrepentant progress Nov 2014 #47

he was supported by virtually the entire party estabishment from the beginning Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #49

Okie dokie. I'll leave you to your ideological fantasy. unrepentant progress Nov 2014 #50

Mondale courted the conservative wing of the Dems AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #64

yeah thanks a lot for that article Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #74

You're basing your ENTIRE argument now on the opinion of Peter Rosenblatt. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #78

That's called politics....is Obama a Blue Dog? No.... Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #87

but never enacted their policies. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #76

Now you are saying the OP is incorrect AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #77

The OP is incorrect wyldwolf Nov 2014 #81

With Centrists of the time AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #82

to include centrists. That's how coalitions are built. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #84

Well, nobody is declaring the nominating process over. MineralMan Nov 2014 #16

1984. I voted for Mondale, while others chose to extend Reagan policies. On election day 1984 there Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #19

I'd say everyone does the same thing. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #27

I was 30 that election and no one outside of New York, San Fran or LA considered Mondale a centrist Rowdyboy Nov 2014 #30

he was certainly in the middle of the Democratic Party at the time - I don't recall any liberal or Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #31

Fair point Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #33

frankly I agree Hillary is the front runner just as I would have agreed Mondale was the front runner Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #34

I don't disagree Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #38

Facts are pesky things, which is why the GOP hates facts. Your premise of the OP is without merit. greatlaurel Nov 2014 #45

this is divide and conquer now? Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #48

You stated that Mondale lost because he was too "centrist", which is clearly not true. greatlaurel Nov 2014 #52

no, I did NOT say that Mondale lost because he was too centrist. I said nothing of the sort whatsoev Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #54

Backtracking from your OP. greatlaurel Nov 2014 #60

"He was liberal but neither too far left or too far right" describes how most Democrats saw Mondale Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #61

Definition of centrist from Mirriam-Webster greatlaurel Nov 2014 #70

I was trying to make the point that let's not proclaim the 2016 nominating process all finished Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #79

It's hilarious that you and AgingAmerican are pimping this article. OilemFirchen Nov 2014 #90

At least you are all working off the same agenda for consistency. greatlaurel Nov 2014 #91

I am attacking the idea of the inevitability of Hillary a year and a half before a single primary Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #96

"We gotcha" AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #65

so how did is translate into his policies? wyldwolf Nov 2014 #66

You just moved the goalpost AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #67

No, I didn't let YOU move the goalposts wyldwolf Nov 2014 #68

Read the article AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #69

I posted the article. I read it. It doesn't address the OP wyldwolf Nov 2014 #72

Your article does not prove the OP. greatlaurel Nov 2014 #86

The article outlines what Mondale did AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #88

no one here has even suggested that Mondale lost because of his centrism - that is something you Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #92

I was around in 1984; I don't remember any of that. Care to cite something to support your claims? yellowcanine Nov 2014 #51

oh that is hard to say - probably Hart might have done a little better just being a younger Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #55

My point is that Mondale was not seen as the "inevitable" nominee. It was a competitive primary. yellowcanine Nov 2014 #80

once the Hart charge started a lot of that inevitability certainly evaporated - Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #83

I don't remember Mondale ever being "inevitable." Certainly John Glenn, Alan Cranston, Jesse yellowcanine Nov 2014 #94

I was around and in California at that time, I remember it like the other poster, not as you do. Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #85

once the Hart campaign started soaring - ABSOLUTELY yes a lot of the inevitability notion Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #89

This OP is a classic Gish Gallop. greatlaurel Nov 2014 #93

Agree. Lot of backing and filling going on. And still no citations to back up any of the claims. yellowcanine Nov 2014 #95