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susanwy

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98. Not Sure - can you answer

Tue Nov 18, 2014, 03:04 PM

Nov 2014

@Not Sure - Thank you for that very excellent explanation.

Tell me - is it more profitable to transport via pipeline or rail? I sense the issue is via rail, the PTB cannot ship the crude fast enough to the refineries to make maximum profit. Is this true when the price of oil is high? Low? What I'm getting at is that oil futures are traded as commodities, and thus heavily manipulated for profit gain (and drive the pace at which refineries refine crude). If this is true, it is about profit and speed to market, then why the hell don't the Dems make a campaign issue that promotes the idea of protecting the aquifer over profit - i.e the crude will still get to market, just not quite as fast and profitable - that is worth it to protect water!! Plus, what about those rail jobs, if we gain 50 permanent jobs from the pipeline, how many rail jobs do we loose? Of course I'm not a marketer, so how to get that into a sound bite that can convince voters, I have no idea.

I'd rather we keep shipping by rail if we are going to continue to harvest this filthy energy, then put a major aquifer in DANGER just to increase the fucking profit margins of the Koch brothers.

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I guess one less Dem of whatever stripe is a win (not for me, just to be clear) n/t UTUSN Nov 2014 #3

Yeah, WTF, over? Didn't Obama say he was going to veto it? What's to gain by shitting on a MADem Nov 2014 #18

What do you mean by 'whatever stripe'?? A 'Dem of whatever stripe'? This Party must enjoy losing sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #37

wasn't her entire family crooks and conmen? roguevalley Nov 2014 #39

Well to be fair, what LA politician does not have that history? former9thward Nov 2014 #41

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It's really sad to me Aerows Nov 2014 #12

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Says Aerows Nov 2014 #20

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Oh, so now Aerows Nov 2014 #25

No--YOU brought her up and used her dead self to scold a poster here who had a different view MADem Nov 2014 #26

MADem, I don't like Landrieu's situation any better than you do Aerows Nov 2014 #27

Her POV on the pipeline just doesn't MATTER. MADem Nov 2014 #32

Here is the deal Aerows Nov 2014 #34

Here's the better deal. MADem Nov 2014 #35

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When the vote doesn't matter, Reid doesn't demand party unity. MADem Nov 2014 #51

Stop, in the name of...? aspirant Nov 2014 #66

Where did you get that logic from? MADem Nov 2014 #110

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Ann Richardson-who dat? hobbit709 Nov 2014 #55

I guess it doesn't really matter. Rex Nov 2014 #81

Sorry--I mistyped - I'll correct it. MADem Nov 2014 #111

A core Democratic constituency (environmentalists) expect to get fucked by Republicans . . . hatrack Nov 2014 #9

Do you reside in Louisiana and work in and for the oil industry? Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #15

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Oh, I will enter this conversation Aerows Nov 2014 #21

Well, you are very very wrong on me not knowing the area, now that we have Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #29

Huh? Aerows Nov 2014 #33

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I'll be honest Aerows Nov 2014 #44

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Are you Canadian? Aerows Nov 2014 #49

Canadian? Actually one more concerned about the environment than those Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #54

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I would ask this question to the ones running in the front yard of Landreiu and why are they not Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #71

Brunch with oil tea aspirant Nov 2014 #78

Have I hounded either the KXL, Landrieu, or rail, the same group who is happy to hound, why am I Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #80

Why don't the hounders, hound? aspirant Nov 2014 #85

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Third choice is leave the fucking tar oil in the fucking ground...we are not easily lied to. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #57

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Because pipelines are safe... adirondacker Nov 2014 #63

Is rail safe? Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #64

Safer. Not Sure Nov 2014 #79

The KXL protesting is more about the tar sands than the transportation, the oils are still Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #82

Tell us the truth. aspirant Nov 2014 #88

The truth is here, just say you are protesting filthy oil and encourage ceasing the use of,oil, not Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #93

An unbroken olive branch aspirant Nov 2014 #95

Go and use your time as you need, there are plenty of older folks who need my time. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #96

When you have nothing left...? aspirant Nov 2014 #99

Why are you accussing me of this, you are not changong my mind and you argument is not Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #100

Free as a bird aspirant Nov 2014 #102

I disagree with you on that. Not Sure Nov 2014 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author susanwy Nov 2014 #97

Not Sure - can you answer susanwy Nov 2014 #98

Its about the filthy oil, not about profits, not about rail, the tar sands continue, protests Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #101

No argument susanwy Nov 2014 #103

Whose rights aspirant Nov 2014 #104

Go and protest i do not care Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #105

I don't have access to any financial info/numbers as far as rail is concerned Not Sure Nov 2014 #106

Just curious. Kermitt Gribble Nov 2014 #92

The same question could be asked of you. Do you live over the aquifer? The mistake she made is jwirr Nov 2014 #42

Well Done and a big THANK YOU!! 2banon Nov 2014 #77

Looks like voters are getting smart and can tell when someone isn't representing them on major sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #38

Can't vote for or against Landrieu this time around Aerows Nov 2014 #46

We don't want your "third way" TBF Nov 2014 #56

That's a fucking old and tired excuse. Phlem Nov 2014 #76

Is all you do is insult real Progressives? Odin2005 Nov 2014 #86

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i still hope she wins Liberal_in_LA Nov 2014 #7

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"cleaning up the gulf was a piece of cake" BeanMusical Nov 2014 #11

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Yeah, Mary.. and as the President says.. Cha Nov 2014 #13

Supporting this issue... Segami Nov 2014 #17

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She wouldn't be fighting for her political life if she had represented the people who elected her. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #40

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You're missing the point. She would NOT be neck and neck with him if she had not lost many of sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #45

I don't think that's accurate. MADem Nov 2014 #50

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If the real one wins, WE lose. MADem Nov 2014 #112

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Great protest idea! DeSwiss Nov 2014 #62

Simply marvelous aspirant Nov 2014 #75

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