CNN: ISIS Takes Libyan City.

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4. By any metric, all of these countries were better off before we meddled.

That's a fact.

It's a straw man to suggest that anyone is saying ALL that goes wrong in the middle east is because of America.

But I believe it is correct that everyone was better before we wiped out the socialist dictatorships.

It's part of the neo-con plan to steal the wealth of these countries in the name of costly market capitalism.

Can you provide data that would suggest we have made things better for the people of these countries?

If not, accept that we are one of the biggest problems in the Middle East, and one of the solutions must be our withdrawal.

Worse, we are making things horrific in these countries while our own retirees are forces to live on the streets and eat garbage.

If we want to honor the "breathing thinking choice-making people who live there", we need to leave and let them choose their own fate.