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NanceGreggs

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136. No, sabrina ...

Wed Nov 19, 2014, 02:41 AM

Nov 2014

... it's not very hard at all.

But here's the thing: There are these things called elections. And it usually comes down to a Republican and a Democrat in those races. And when you stand on your "principles" and refuse to vote, write-in a vote, or vote for a third party candidate who has NO chance of winning, you could very well be contributing to putting a Republican in office.

Opposing wars, slaughter, massive crimes - yeah, I think most of us do, sabrina. But allowing a Republican - and we all KNOW what they stand for, don't we? - to hold an office that could have gone to a Democrat does sweet fuck all to stop wars, slaughter, etc. In fact, it actually puts someone in a position of political power who is actually FOR all of those things.

"Principles" are something that should lead to the attainment of what is just, what is right, what is fair. When they are used as an excuse to shield one's self from DOING what will advance that goal, they fail to have any worth.

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Ya Know... For Every Person Accusing Some Of Us Of Being "Purists", I Would Love To Know... [View all] WillyT Nov 2014 OP

Oh Yeah... I'll Kick It Again !!! WillyT Nov 2014 #1

And... WillyT Nov 2014 #2

And... Curiously... WillyT Nov 2014 #6

+1 merrily Nov 2014 #154

Let me get this straight leftofcool Nov 2014 #3

You And Yor Husband Built The Schools, The Roads To The Schools, The Busses That Use The Roads To... WillyT Nov 2014 #5

I was a teacher and yes, we do help build roads and schools leftofcool Nov 2014 #7

See... The 2K Per Year You And Your Husband Spent Each Year Mght Have Gotten You 100' Of Road... WillyT Nov 2014 #9

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Well... blueboy... Appears To Be 12... WillyT Nov 2014 #30

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Nah Man... I'm New Here... Just Gettin A Feel For The Place... WillyT Nov 2014 #40

. Rex Nov 2014 #44

gently, gently...... daleanime Nov 2014 #48

WillyT - what do you suppose that idiot was really saying with, "Well said. Well spoken."?.... marble falls Nov 2014 #57

"Fauxcahantas?" Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2014 #47

Do they come with jalapeno flavor? L0oniX Nov 2014 #102

ANd by paying it forward you mean voting in the way you would prefer them to vote? el_bryanto Nov 2014 #8

I Don't Think So Either... I Think It;s A Syndrome Used Agianst GW... WillyT Nov 2014 #12

If you were a mother in Iraq whose baby was blown to bits by our humanitarian bombs, you might see sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #33

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Nov 2014 #46

Amen.... daleanime Nov 2014 #49

BTW ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #56

What a strange diversion from the topic at hand. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #61

Not a diversion whatsoever. NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #62

You said nothing related to the tragedies I posted about. You chose to turn those sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #64

No, sabrina ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #65

+ a big-ass number Bobbie Jo Nov 2014 #68

You supported Cheney/Bush I presume? Did you say that when it counted btw? sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #128

You did what?? Bobbie Jo Nov 2014 #131

At Least She HAS Principles... WillyT Nov 2014 #73

"If your "principles" lead you to ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #91

Are you seriously espousing team over principles? LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #110

Are you seriously espousing ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #115

Me Too... Voted Straight D Every Time Since 1974... Sometimes Holding My Nose, Sometimes Not... WillyT Nov 2014 #116

And "the chronically insane" ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #118

Agreed... The Rebublican Party Has Fallen A Loooong Way From Abe Lincoln And Teddy Roosevelt... WillyT Nov 2014 #119

I think you meant to say ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #120

True... WillyT Nov 2014 #121

Yeah, I know ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #138

So you would have supported the Iraq War Crime if Dems were the ones to start it? I'm trying to sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #133

"What you seem to be saying ..." NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #137

Party over Principles LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #171

Party AND principles. NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #196

That is exactly what you are witnessing. I have to say that I was very naive in 2003. I really sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #129

My principles are based on right v wrong. What are yours based on? sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #130

No, sabrina ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #136

Well, THIS is where we disagree: sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #142

How it "works" ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #144

Resorting now to condescension rather than explanation. I believe that when people believe they have sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #147

sabrina ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #148

Having trouble reading? Well, it is late I suppose. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #150

The answer to your question was in almost every sentence of the comment you responded to. Your sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #127

sabrina, you are an absolute master ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #135

Dead babies, yes, it is something lots of people prefer not to talk about anymore, isn't it? sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #141

Sabrina ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #143

WHY did you ask? Why are you always so angry when people don't agree with you? sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #145

Why are you assuming ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #146

Why are you amused? This is not an amusing topic. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #149

You are apparently of the belief ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #152

you know, your continual attempted "gaslighting" of sabrina... grasswire Nov 2014 #202

Nance, you are SUCH a belligerent person davidpdx Nov 2014 #151

That bullying you are experiencing is not helping Democrats get elected either. Jamastiene Nov 2014 #156

Yes, it is a perfect example of the sense of entitlement to votes regardless of what people are sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #176

+ 2,000,000,000 ReRe Nov 2014 #59

So if HRC ends up with the nomination what will you do? el_bryanto Nov 2014 #69

I think my comment was pretty clear. I will never support her. And I hope more Democrats make that sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #132

What I "interpret" your response to mean ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #140

Excuse me? 'Courage'? To tell the truth? Is that how you view politics? That one has to be some sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #178

Sorry, sabrina ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #195

I have never been bullied, intimidated or told what to think. That seems to sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #200

Amen! bvar22 Nov 2014 #87

K&R, sabrina 1 Carolina Nov 2014 #124

What we have lost is our sense of community. zeemike Nov 2014 #50

Yep... And That Some Here Have Bought Into It... Is Sad... And Yet Explains A Lot... WillyT Nov 2014 #53

That way of thinking is making me sick. BeanMusical Nov 2014 #172

You should delete that before the hide. L0oniX Nov 2014 #16

You did do it on the backs of others. We all did. You just don't get that you did. merrily Nov 2014 #155

Here's the main thing I got from your post philosslayer Nov 2014 #175

It sounds like a return of the "You didn't build that" threads. hughee99 Nov 2014 #177

, blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #4

Comparison BKH70041 Nov 2014 #11

Actually, leftofcool Nov 2014 #13

You are wasting your time arguing with internet malcontents FSogol Nov 2014 #18

Which makes absolutely no sense. leftofcool Nov 2014 #21

Yeah... Those Of Us That Grew Up Under The FDR Era... And Have Had It Corrupted Are The Malcontents WillyT Nov 2014 #23

Failing to whine non-stop on a web forum does not equal contentment. FSogol Nov 2014 #24

Why would you care if someone calls you a malcontent or a purist? BKH70041 Nov 2014 #25

Because they're obsessed with labels. baldguy Nov 2014 #95

Labels like repeatedly calling posters Union Scribe Nov 2014 #103

Fits when they advocate purges & litmus tests. baldguy Nov 2014 #122

Please explain 'malcontents', I have seen that epithet, mainly aimed at Democrats during the sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #134

"I have seen that epithet, mainly aimed at Democrats during the Bush/Cheney disastrous era" FSogol Nov 2014 #164

Rush Limbaugh probably started it. He dedicate a whole show to letting 'Liberal Malcontents' sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #194

Ohh, Rush used an English word to insult liberals, that means the word is a liberal insult? FSogol Nov 2014 #197

Great idea. LOL merrily Nov 2014 #159

Nice try. Rex Nov 2014 #15

Oh BKH70041 Nov 2014 #19

No I mean nice try at pretending you are unbiased. Rex Nov 2014 #20

Yes, if posting is the be all and end all. merrily Nov 2014 #157

k and r nashville_brook Nov 2014 #10

Super Kick and Rec. L0oniX Nov 2014 #14

They say liberals are purists then get mad if you don't agree with them. Rex Nov 2014 #17

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Silly rabbit. Rex Nov 2014 #27

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Don't be sore just because you made a few bucks and I corrected you. Rex Nov 2014 #32

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #34

No doubt you grabbed your dad's newspaper and gave it a quick look. Rex Nov 2014 #35

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LOL! Rex Nov 2014 #43

"Kids are so creative these days." But for some of them, not for very long! marble falls Nov 2014 #54

MIRTs mighty hammer! Rex Nov 2014 #58

This really isn't very complicated. You either side with the 1% or the 99%. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #28

I'm not at war. leftofcool Nov 2014 #29

Not Yet... WillyT Nov 2014 #36

Addendum: WillyT Nov 2014 #38

So you are ok with the status quo? nm rhett o rick Nov 2014 #45

You're either with us Bobbie Jo Nov 2014 #70

That's how it works when good people are forced to stop a monstrous, destructive evil, Zorra Nov 2014 #74

Naw, walking lockstep is for Republicans leftofcool Nov 2014 #78

I would never accuse anyone of being a purist. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Nov 2014 #41

I don't fit any of your characterizations, Willy Old Nick Nov 2014 #51

And... It Was A Simple Question... Where I Did NOT Ask You... Where YOU Fit... WillyT Nov 2014 #60

I apologize for making assumptions about who you were referencing Old Nick Nov 2014 #63

'Purist' is a Third Way Think Tank Talking point invented around 2003 aimed at 'the Left' which the sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #52

+1 woo me with science Nov 2014 #67

Authoritarians do purges. Purists do litmus tests. Neither are in the Democratic Party tradition. baldguy Nov 2014 #93

Both of those OPs are about keeping Republicans out of the Democratic Party, including moderate sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #99

^^^THIS^^^ L0oniX Nov 2014 #100

Third Way does not hate us more than the Right. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #108

Thank you for the correction. You are absolutely right. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #109

I agree with heaven05 Nov 2014 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Nov 2014 #55

what history books are you reading? treestar Nov 2014 #66

What history books are YOU reading? WillyT Nov 2014 #71

Those Reagan policies are part of the past that gives me cold chills. Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #72

+1. That post about 'centrists' getting it all done and Marr Nov 2014 #77

Bravo, WillyT! Zorra Nov 2014 #83

Remembering our history Generic Other Nov 2014 #98

I've noticed that the Third Way apologists don't know an ounce of history. Rex Nov 2014 #106

Great post! neverforget Nov 2014 #126

You really need to do some reading. /nt Marr Nov 2014 #76

It should be embarrassing imo. Rex Nov 2014 #107

Explain exactly what the two have to do with each other? brooklynite Nov 2014 #75

Not to mention you are still working for change for others Phentex Nov 2014 #79

...but I'm still a 1%er, so that's all that counts... brooklynite Nov 2014 #80

shouldn't you send your assistant? Phentex Nov 2014 #82

That's what the 1%/Third Way and their tools keep telling us. Zorra Nov 2014 #84

You can have your faith all you want but the truth is still the truth. randome Nov 2014 #85

So prove me wrong...explain HOW Bernie Sanders (or equivalent) wins a national election... brooklynite Nov 2014 #86

"Last time I checked, they still let moderates and conservatives vote." baldguy Nov 2014 #96

The same way anyone generally wins an election. By getting enough votes for them counted Zorra Nov 2014 #170

Doesn't answer the question... brooklynite Nov 2014 #179

We don't know. It's never been tried. We actually even elected a black man who ran for President Zorra Nov 2014 #181

Understood, but if you want people to support him... brooklynite Nov 2014 #183

I believe that I can safely say that a large majority of Americans had no clue who Barack Obama Zorra Nov 2014 #184

If it makes you feel better to pretend to be David and Goliath, knock yourself out... brooklynite Nov 2014 #185

Yeppers. The RW even went so far as to gerrymander Rep. Kucinich out of office, so Zorra Nov 2014 #186

"silence even the threat of his voice in Congress"? brooklynite Nov 2014 #187

Are you too young to remember that Kucinich led Iraq War opposition in Congress? Zorra Nov 2014 #188

It's not leadership if nobody's following... brooklynite Nov 2014 #189

Wait...you just emphatically asked where his voice was. Zorra Nov 2014 #190

I never disputed his "voice"...I disputed his Leadership brooklynite Nov 2014 #191

They use the MSM, the media they own, to support their own candidates. Zorra Nov 2014 #192

Ciao. Still didn't answer the question... brooklynite Nov 2014 #193

Let's see if I've got this straight FBaggins Nov 2014 #81

Yes, all wealthy people are conservative, just like all working class people are liberal..... brooklynite Nov 2014 #198

Even with the missing sarcasm tag... that wouldn't go far enough. FBaggins Nov 2014 #199

Last Kick From Me... WillyT Nov 2014 #88

How can you rationally argue the purges & litmus tests aren't a campaign for purity? baldguy Nov 2014 #89

I Argue On Behalf Of Those That Got Us This Far... WillyT Nov 2014 #90

And none of of those downtrodden masses would be able to pass all of your purity tests. baldguy Nov 2014 #92

K&R to the nth degree nt LiberalElite Nov 2014 #94

I guess my question is- Is there any principle they would not abandon to win? n2doc Nov 2014 #97

An extremely interesting question....... L0oniX Nov 2014 #101

This from your OP is so correct: sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #104

FDR "We must become radicals for a generation" that is what is needed n/t librechik Nov 2014 #105

Excellent questions. n.t 99Forever Nov 2014 #112

I'm doing fine maxrandb Nov 2014 #113

You Don't Seem Fine... And The Benefits YOU Have... Started With THESE People... WillyT Nov 2014 #114

Please don't lecture me about the great that unions have done maxrandb Nov 2014 #117

Well that scenerio would sure wake people up to the realities of the T crazies! I like it. RiverLover Nov 2014 #123

The purist isn't any different from the Teabagger. baldguy Nov 2014 #125

You're a purist. We all are purists about different things. merrily Nov 2014 #158

Not liberals; but "liberals". Note the difference. baldguy Nov 2014 #161

Whatever, dude. merrily Nov 2014 #162

�An insincere and evil friend is more to be feared than a wild beast; ..." baldguy Nov 2014 #163

Well, I guess you would know. merrily Nov 2014 #165

LOL +1~ RiverLover Nov 2014 #166

I know that on today's DU the Democrats get TS'd and the Democrat haters get kudos. baldguy Nov 2014 #167

Perfect response. Rex Nov 2014 #180

Thanks. I was admiring your responses on this thread, including to name removed. merrily Nov 2014 #182

+1 Well said. Should be an orignal post. n/t FSogol Nov 2014 #168

I call bs. merrily Nov 2014 #160

Proud to kick and rec this thread Aerows Nov 2014 #139

None of your beeswax, but let me put it this way instead: merrily Nov 2014 #153

LOL !!! - Ya Know merrily... I Really Wasn't Looking For Numbers And Personal Information... WillyT Nov 2014 #173

I know you weren't. merrily Nov 2014 #174

Amen. woo me with science Nov 2014 #169

The poor don't matter jeepers Nov 2014 #201