Ya Know... For Every Person Accusing Some Of Us Of Being "Purists", I Would Love To Know...

[sabrina 1]

141. Dead babies, yes, it is something lots of people prefer not to talk about anymore, isn't it?

I have noticed that, on a forum where they were the topic of conversation on a daily basis throughout the Bush era. Yet we are still killing them aren't we? So why are we not still drawing attention to these tragic victims of our FP?

You jumped into a sub thread where I responded to a comment which seemed to me to be rather cavalier about our killing machine which never seems to stop killing. So my comment was exactly relevant to the discussion.

I don't respond to 'interrogations', or to attempts at bullying. I do try to figure out why such people feel the need to digress from a particular subject with such tactics.

I am familiar with them, having spent a number of years on right wing sites, where being a Liberal who opposed their hero's criminal invasions was likely to result in threats and INTERROGATIONS and intimidations. It never worked with me, but I learned a lot about such tactics, more than made them comfortable, as they were accustomed at that time, to Liberals who WERE intimidated, especially elected officials who always seemed to be on the defensive. I preferred the offensive since it was obvious to me that they were angry with anyone who stirred their consciences. I don't mind doing that, consciences need to be stirred when massive wrongdoing is under way, in MY NAME.

You, for some unfathomable reason, considering this is a Democratic Forum, who I voted for in 2004. What does that have to do with where we are now? What did it have to do with my comment about NOW and the FUTURE?

In 2004 Kerry was at the very bottom of my list, as were all those who had participated in Bush's ability to launch his forever war in Iraq and as the neocons told us, the entire ME eventually.

There were several candidates who had opposed the Iraq War any of whom I was fine with me. Kerry was at 3% airc and not even on many people's radar.

Then, suddenly, he was the nominee.

We were at a moment in time when getting rid of Bush was the ONLY goal. 'ANYONE BUT BUSH'.

So we had to choose, Bush/Cheney or this person who came out of nowhere. I knew we had no choice. So I went to find out about who was he, I learned he had been in Vietnam, was a War Protester, saw the footage before Congress, learned he was on Nixon's 'enemies list', voted against the First Gulf War. It made no sense, why did he vote for Bush/Cheney's war then?

It was explained, etc etc, we got on board, we went out and fought for him.

He lost, I remember that night. That was the night I discovered DU. I knew someone whose daughter had died on 9/11 who hated Bush. We were on the phone, a three way conversation, we thought we had won. I was watching CNN and saw the numbers changing. And I went back to the big Liberal Forum where I was a moderator for two years. And found links to DU.

This is the story of most Dems in 2004. And this response is to show those reading how disingenuous your question was. Because it was entirely irrelevant to where we are today.

I had hope then that a Dem who had voted against the 1st Gulf War, with a history like Kerry's would stop the War in Iraq.

That was ten years ago. I am older and wiser as are many people. Would Kerry have ended that war? Who knows.

My comment, which you chose to challenge with your 'gotcha' attempt, I guess to try to show some kind of hypocrisy, OR 'lack of loyalty' or whatever it was you were trying to do, was in the FUTURE tense. 'I will not support anyone who supported that war'.

Because, this is 2014 NOT 2004 and no, I will not support Hillary or any other candidate who supported that massive crime. Because I have no hope, unlike when Kerry ran, that Hillary will end this disastrous policy.

Next time you want to 'get' someone, for whatever reason, know who they are.

Most DUers know me, they know I have zero problem stating my opinions, no problem talking about who I have supported, the reasons why, the reasons why I would not do so again, or anything else regarding politics.

Which is why I told you you should never ask a question you do not know the answer to. People who read your question, like me, wondered what your point was. I have never made a secret of who I have supported and/or who I will not.

Your attempt at intimidation was more amusing than anything else, considering my support for Kerry AND the reasons why is no secret here.

You might try just talking to people for a change. Had your question been genuine, an effort to discuss things, I would have been more than willing to engage in that discussion. But your motive was not to discuss, was it? My question is 'why', why do you view democrats here who have never changed their views on our disastrous FP as the 'enemy' who need to be 'challenged'? I would love an answer to that question.