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116. This question is addressed by DUers wiser than I in this thread from 2012

Wed Nov 19, 2014, 05:55 PM

Nov 2014

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/101458967

DUer brentspeak (if I may quote him) said, in Post 72:

"I'm aware that corporate Democrats like Tom Carper and Max Baucus have fought against efforts to eliminate the pre-funding requirement.

Please show us how Waxman and Davis were the ones responsible for including the pre-funding requirement into the House legislative draft. You won't be able to because the pre-funding requirement was included after Susan Collins (R-Maine) http://www.mpcourier.com/article/20111011/DCO01/111019967/0/dco added it to one of the Senate versions of the bill, which then got shuttled back to the House. As was already explained to you, the House Democrats bargained to remove the union-busting and privatization provisions from the House legislation. That's why they voted for the bill as it was hammered out."

It looks like Dems were fighting union-busting and privatization provisions, and bargained for the best they felt they could get under those conditions.

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If you thought the Postal Service was bad before, just wait: [View all] Veilex Nov 2014 OP

hmmm, I guess elections do have consequences still_one Nov 2014 #1

Imagine that. Sometimes "worse" really is worse, and "not as bad" is really not as bad. arcane1 Nov 2014 #2

Actually, I think the Postal service does an amazing job, but as you said things can get worse not still_one Nov 2014 #3

Me too! I was referring to the "lesser of two evils" excuse for not voting... arcane1 Nov 2014 #4

Tell me, which Democrats talked about the Post Office situation during their campaigns? LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #33

Indeed n/t arcane1 Nov 2014 #58

Maybe. Maybe not. Please see Reply 57. merrily Nov 2014 #59

Come on the Post Office issue has been talked to death. upaloopa Nov 2014 #127

Please see Reply 57. merrily Nov 2014 #77

Yes, and those whining about staying home because they saw no reason to vote are Cha Nov 2014 #11

Exactly Bobbie Jo Nov 2014 #79

Some elections and some consequences. merrily Nov 2014 #57

Here's Some Additional Links On This.... global1 Nov 2014 #92

In this thread from 2012 this was thrashed out a lot sketchy Nov 2014 #93

The purpose of the bill was to destroy the post office. You can tell that just from the title. merrily Nov 2014 #156

the goal is Dan Nov 2014 #5

You're probably spot on. Veilex Nov 2014 #13

The goal is to destroy the nation's largest union and defund the Democratic Party .... Scuba Nov 2014 #26

^THIS^ LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #37

Democrats have not exactly been thwarting that plan. Please see reply 57 merrily Nov 2014 #62

The Democratic Party has been infiltrated by conservatives. Scuba Nov 2014 #84

More than infiltrated. As someone else once put it, merrily Nov 2014 #85

"Swallowed". Yes. Thanks for the positive vibe; I need it today. Scuba Nov 2014 #89

Or the tail wagged the dog until it became the dog. We all need a positive vibe every day. merrily Nov 2014 #159

Who the fuck thinks the USPS is bad? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #6

Yep! And then their clients like UPS and FEDEX . . . brush Nov 2014 #7

Its straight up ridiculous.....this is NOTHING more than an attempt to bust a strong Union... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #8

Right! brush Nov 2014 #10

Not sure how long this has been an idea...but I think its brilliant... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #12

There used to be a postal savings system in the US Art_from_Ark Nov 2014 #22

The pre-funding requirement is not stopping them from having a surplus. former9thward Nov 2014 #45

Not true! brush Nov 2014 #47

You are right....that was complete and utter crap... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #51

Yeah, RW sites like the General Accounting Office... former9thward Nov 2014 #65

not THAT part....GEEBUS VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #94

Unable to read? former9thward Nov 2014 #97

are YOU? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #100

This thread started when it was posted former9thward Nov 2014 #102

Tough! I proved you WRONG...both Bernie Sanders and Ralph Nader agree with me... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #103

They made the fucking payments for 7 fucking years! ieoeja Nov 2014 #180

No, they did not make them for 7 years. former9thward Nov 2014 #181

They still made partial payments for seven years. And fuck you, asshole. ieoeja Nov 2014 #182

No they never made partial payments after the first one. former9thward Nov 2014 #183

You said they hadn't paid anything, which is not true. brush Nov 2014 #151

I said they had not paid in the last three years. former9thward Nov 2014 #165

Its quite interesting philosslayer Nov 2014 #70

but it has to do with the FUNDING for 75 yrs in advance....what OTHER org has to do that? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #95

Henry Waxman was a co-sponsor of the bill philosslayer Nov 2014 #112

I showed earlier that yes...SOME democrats supported it.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #115

SOME? philosslayer Nov 2014 #117

no not more than some....there are only about 6 Blue Dogs left.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #119

This question is addressed by DUers wiser than I in this thread from 2012 sketchy Nov 2014 #116

My god....they call themselves Democrats...then lie like hell about them....then expect us to VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #120

Utterly false. former9thward Nov 2014 #64

BUT they have to fund 75 yrs within 10....FACT VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #96

NO, NOT A FACT. former9thward Nov 2014 #98

Oh fucking yes it is..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #99

You are calling the GAO liars. former9thward Nov 2014 #104

No...that is NOT who I am calling the liar..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #105

The GAO says BS. former9thward Nov 2014 #107

So what's tyour postition? Kingofalldems Nov 2014 #109

When did you stop beating your wife? former9thward Nov 2014 #110

The setup was your responses in this thread. Kingofalldems Nov 2014 #111

I support people who want to unionize. former9thward Nov 2014 #118

So you are OK with the union contract being nullified Kingofalldems Nov 2014 #122

You want me to adopt your strawmen. former9thward Nov 2014 #124

There is no strawman. I asked your position Kingofalldems Nov 2014 #125

I have already answered you on the post office. former9thward Nov 2014 #130

when did you stop beating yours? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #114

and I am saying YOU need to get out more and read..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #113

It doesn't say "they haven't made payments in 3 years". louis-t Nov 2014 #121

It hasn't. former9thward Nov 2014 #123

and we have repeatedly explained to you why.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #126

Now you speak for all the posters... former9thward Nov 2014 #131

I am speaking for all the ones here trying to speak to you.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #137

from YOUR article... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #128

"Overfunded by $11 billion"!!! louis-t Nov 2014 #129

They sure are. Kingofalldems Nov 2014 #134

Boom! Kingofalldems Nov 2014 #135

You willful ignore they have not been paying it. former9thward Nov 2014 #140

Yes they HAVE been....that is why it is OVERFUNDED! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #141

So the GAO, NY Times and other articles I have posted are lying out it. former9thward Nov 2014 #142

because the CAN"T take the money FROM the pension plan....THAT IS WHY!!!! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #143

Yep, all RW lies by the GAO and NY Times. former9thward Nov 2014 #144

Its ALREADY OVERFUNDED!!!! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #145

First you say they WERE paying the payments former9thward Nov 2014 #146

I shown over and over...its OVERFUNDED...and they cannot USE that to cover the shortfall VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #147

And if you are not a Bernie Sanders fan...how about Think Progress and Ralph Nader VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #101

SAME WITH PUBLIC EDUCATION and the NEA and AFT. Union-destroying; nothing to do with teaching kids. WinkyDink Nov 2014 #63

If the USPS disappeared tomorrow Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2014 #28

UPS and Fed Ex., etc would handle deliveries. djean111 Nov 2014 #32

Say good bye to delivery to your door Bettie Nov 2014 #43

They don't have the capability . . . brush Nov 2014 #44

It'll be cheap and efficient for big cities taught_me_patience Nov 2014 #56

No one. As I posted above the shippers have repeatedly underpants Nov 2014 #82

Oh noes! Repugs tell me the private sector louis-t Nov 2014 #132

UPS and FEDEX have repeatedly said that they can't go to every door every day underpants Nov 2014 #80

I agree!! nt DawgHouse Nov 2014 #42

Honestly, the USPS sucks real bad taught_me_patience Nov 2014 #60

I think you should just sent all correspondance and packages wilt the stilt Nov 2014 #91

Great post, people are so clueless at time. nt Logical Nov 2014 #133

Please tell me why I'm clueless taught_me_patience Nov 2014 #150

So just pay FEDEX $18.00 a letter instead of the cost of a stamp and quit complaining about the PO. brush Nov 2014 #152

Why don't you respond to my post rather than bringing up a strawman taught_me_patience Nov 2014 #149

I think the Post office has excellent service wilt the stilt Nov 2014 #171

NO it doesn't ....its a damn lie... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #138

Which is why it has to be xxqqqzme Nov 2014 #108

Indeed! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #139

Even without prefundining they are loosing money Travis_0004 Nov 2014 #177

uh no....epic fail... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #178

the are OVERFUNDED on the Pension plan.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #179

Right after the Army and the Airforce. A HERETIC I AM Nov 2014 #9

The Army gladium et scutum Nov 2014 #19

I beg to differ. A HERETIC I AM Nov 2014 #40

The Constitution gladium et scutum Nov 2014 #136

Add to that - if everyone got a mailbox underpants Nov 2014 #83

Up To Now All The Damage To The U.S. Postal Service That Was Done By The Repubs.... global1 Nov 2014 #14

Not true. Research the history of the 2006 postal "reform" act and see Reply 57. merrily Nov 2014 #66

Yes, sunlight is still the best disinfectant sketchy Nov 2014 #78

File bankruptcy, what the hell for? They are making a profit! B Calm Nov 2014 #15

They would be making a profit if it wasn't for the repug . . . brush Nov 2014 #46

+1 Couldn't agree more! B Calm Nov 2014 #48

Nope. That legislation had bi-partisan support. Please see Reply 57 and look up the yeas and nays merrily Nov 2014 #67

That 75 year funding requirement was slipped in in the Senate to the House bill by a repug. brush Nov 2014 #153

Not misleading at all. It was rammed through the senate w/o yeas and nays and the House vote merrily Nov 2014 #155

The 75 year funding clause was slipped into the House bill in the Senate by a repug . . . brush Nov 2014 #157

I understood that the first time you said it. So what? The entire bill was written by a "repug" merrily Nov 2014 #158

More like the bill was written by ALEC . . . brush Nov 2014 #162

Regardless. Even if so, ALEC acted through Postal Commissioner Taub, Obama's appointee. merrily Nov 2014 #163

So your point is Obama is behind the repugs trying to close the PO? brush Nov 2014 #164

If you missed my point, maybe you should read my posts again. merrily Nov 2014 #167

But you keep saying Obama appointed, and Obama reappointed brush Nov 2014 #168

If you saw nothing in my posts about the House and Senate, something is very wrong. merrily Nov 2014 #169

Obama didn't get elected until 2008 brush Nov 2014 #173

Yes, I know both those things very well. And? merrily Nov 2014 #174

Okay, we see things differently . . . brush Nov 2014 #175

Huh? Do you mean Obama could not, in 2009, merrily Nov 2014 #176

A few complaints lately. moondust Nov 2014 #16

I send thousands of letters and packages out with the USPS every year.... NCTraveler Nov 2014 #25

I'm withholding judgment. moondust Nov 2014 #87

I would withhold judgement if they messed up my deliveries.... NCTraveler Nov 2014 #88

I would be curious to know how many postal workers voted for pugs in the election. I bet many. lonestarnot Nov 2014 #17

We all knew it was headed that direction davidpdx Nov 2014 #18

"If you thought the Postal Service was bad before..." Brickbat Nov 2014 #20

Me either. Vinca Nov 2014 #21

+1000 Orrex Nov 2014 #35

me either. I love the US Mail Service. I still my all my bills this way. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2014 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Nov 2014 #148

I didn't think it was bad before or bad now. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #23

me too Hari Seldon Nov 2014 #36

I have never thought the USPS was bad n/t etherealtruth Nov 2014 #24

Me either. It has been slandered a lot, though, by those who want privatization. merrily Nov 2014 #160

In general, I think the post office is just fine. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #27

If you saw inside one of the major sorting centers...... A HERETIC I AM Nov 2014 #41

This sounds like ALEC. And I love the Post Office, I think it's great. nt Zorra Nov 2014 #29

Me too. For under half a buck I mail a letter in the lobby of my building in Boston and merrily Nov 2014 #68

Tip of the iceberg for this Johnson person. Hugin Nov 2014 #30

Not really "dismantling" I think. Feral Child Nov 2014 #86

Please see Replies 57 and 158. merrily Nov 2014 #161

Just as I suspected. Hugin Nov 2014 #172

Thanks alot to the 'I'm not voting this year' people Kingofalldems Nov 2014 #31

Privatization has had bipartisan support, subtle and not so subtle. Please see replies 57, 158 and merrily Nov 2014 #170

Eh. I don't do mail anymore anyway. maced666 Nov 2014 #34

I send handwritten thank-you's all the time. CrispyQ Nov 2014 #49

Eh...if you didn't have the USPS.....you wouldn't be getting some of your Fedex and UPS VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #52

There is nothing wrong with the USPS that repealing Ilsa Nov 2014 #38

100% agree!!! Veilex Nov 2014 #71

Honestly, though, I've never had many problems with the USPS up to this point. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #39

Fedex is using the USPS! merrily Nov 2014 #69

And has been for any and all shipping that is above their capacity Veilex Nov 2014 #72

Yep. Isn't that insane, hiring Fedex to use USPS, when you can just ship USPS yourself? merrily Nov 2014 #74

And for isolated deliveries underpants Nov 2014 #81

I love the Post Office & ours is very busy. CrispyQ Nov 2014 #50

USPS is one of the best in the world .... obnoxiousdrunk Nov 2014 #53

Agreed Veilex Nov 2014 #73

I love the Post Office mnhtnbb Nov 2014 #55

I don't think that, TYVM. Do you not get your mail on time? I do. WinkyDink Nov 2014 #61

Dont mistake the title line for an opinion. Veilex Nov 2014 #76

USPS delivers on Sundays for Amazon customers. madfloridian Nov 2014 #75

Ironically, Amazon could save the USPS from Republican cuts wyldwolf Nov 2014 #90

If things are really as bad as indicated I could go without Saturday delivery but: Paper Roses Nov 2014 #106

They are fighting for their existence. How are rolls of tape, gift bags and last minute gifts merrily Nov 2014 #166

I prefer Death Cab For Cutie, but Codeine Nov 2014 #154