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In reply to the discussion: Ya Know... For Every Person Accusing Some Of Us Of Being "Purists", I Would Love To Know... [View all]Zorra
(27,670 posts)188. Are you too young to remember that Kucinich led Iraq War opposition in Congress?
Or maybe you thought going to War in Iraq was a really good idea at the time, and that's why you have such obvious disdain for Dennis?
Did you not understand the very important things that he said when he spoke out, or is it really that you did not like what he had to say, because they were contrary to your agenda?
Kucinich On House Iraq War Debate
Congressman Dennis J. Kucinich (D-OH), who has led opposition within the Congress to the Iraq war from the beginning, gave the following floor speech on Thursday.
"The President will not bring an end to this war. He says it will be a decision for the next president. But he is building permanent bases in Iraq; and he is determined to keep a force of at least 50,000 in Iraq into the distant future
"This Congress may not bring an end to this war. Because the real power to end the war is in a cut off of funds. Congress keeps appropriating funds in the name of the troops and the troops will stay in Iraq instead of coming home.
snip---
"There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. But, there are WMDs in DC. Lies are Weapons of Mass Destruction: 2,500 American soldiers have died. Over 100,000 innocent Iraqis have died. It is a time for an end to our national sleep walk through the graveyard of the Iraq war.
http://warisacrime.org/node/11975
Congressman Dennis J. Kucinich (D-OH), who has led opposition within the Congress to the Iraq war from the beginning, gave the following floor speech on Thursday.
"The President will not bring an end to this war. He says it will be a decision for the next president. But he is building permanent bases in Iraq; and he is determined to keep a force of at least 50,000 in Iraq into the distant future
"This Congress may not bring an end to this war. Because the real power to end the war is in a cut off of funds. Congress keeps appropriating funds in the name of the troops and the troops will stay in Iraq instead of coming home.
snip---
"There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. But, there are WMDs in DC. Lies are Weapons of Mass Destruction: 2,500 American soldiers have died. Over 100,000 innocent Iraqis have died. It is a time for an end to our national sleep walk through the graveyard of the Iraq war.
http://warisacrime.org/node/11975
Kucinich Introduces Impeachment Articles Against Cheney
Because I believe the vice president's conduct of office has been destructive to the founding purposes of our nation. Today, I have introduced House Resolution 333, Articles of Impeachment Relating to Vice President Richard B. Cheney. I do so in defense of the rights of the American people to have a government that is honest and peaceful.
It became obvious to me that this vice president, who was a driving force for taking the United States into a war against Iraq under false pretenses, is once again rattling the sabers of war against Iran with the same intent to drive America into another war, again based on false pretenses.
Let me cite from the articles of impeachment that were introduced this afternoon, Article I, that Richard Cheney had purposely manipulated the intelligence process to deceive the citizens and the Congress of the United States by fabricating a threat of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction to justify the use of the United States armed forces against the nation of Iraq in a manner damaging to our national security.
That despite all evidence to the contrary, the vice president actively and systematically sought to deceive the citizens and the Congress of the United States about an alleged threat of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/24/AR2007042401542.html
Because I believe the vice president's conduct of office has been destructive to the founding purposes of our nation. Today, I have introduced House Resolution 333, Articles of Impeachment Relating to Vice President Richard B. Cheney. I do so in defense of the rights of the American people to have a government that is honest and peaceful.
It became obvious to me that this vice president, who was a driving force for taking the United States into a war against Iraq under false pretenses, is once again rattling the sabers of war against Iran with the same intent to drive America into another war, again based on false pretenses.
Let me cite from the articles of impeachment that were introduced this afternoon, Article I, that Richard Cheney had purposely manipulated the intelligence process to deceive the citizens and the Congress of the United States by fabricating a threat of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction to justify the use of the United States armed forces against the nation of Iraq in a manner damaging to our national security.
That despite all evidence to the contrary, the vice president actively and systematically sought to deceive the citizens and the Congress of the United States about an alleged threat of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/24/AR2007042401542.html
Kucinich introduces Bush impeachment resolution
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Rep. Dennis Kucinich, a former Democratic presidential candidate from Ohio, introduced a resolution to impeach President Bush into the House of Representatives on Tuesday.
Kucinich announced his intention to seek Bush's impeachment Monday night, when he read the lengthy document into the record.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has repeatedly said she would not support a resolution calling for Bush's impeachment, saying such a move was unlikely to succeed and would be divisive.
Most of the congressman's resolution deals with the Iraq war, contending that the president manufactured a false case for the war, violated U.S. and international law to invade Iraq, failed to provide troops with proper equipment and falsified casualty reports for political purposes.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/11/kucinich.impeach/
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Rep. Dennis Kucinich, a former Democratic presidential candidate from Ohio, introduced a resolution to impeach President Bush into the House of Representatives on Tuesday.
Kucinich announced his intention to seek Bush's impeachment Monday night, when he read the lengthy document into the record.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has repeatedly said she would not support a resolution calling for Bush's impeachment, saying such a move was unlikely to succeed and would be divisive.
Most of the congressman's resolution deals with the Iraq war, contending that the president manufactured a false case for the war, violated U.S. and international law to invade Iraq, failed to provide troops with proper equipment and falsified casualty reports for political purposes.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/11/kucinich.impeach/
Kucinich voted against the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 that started the Iraq War.[1]
During the debate in 2002 over the resolution giving the president the right to use military force against Iraq, Kucinich proposed an amendment to recommit the Iraq resolution to committee with instructions requiring the president to submit to Congress an estimate of the impact of the war on the U.S. economy, Iraqi citizens, and international stability. Supporters felt as though the motion was necessary, for the costs of the war were likely to be high and military action should remain a last resort in dealing with Iraq. The amendment failed 101-325.
Main article: Congressional actions on the Iraq War prior to the 2003 U.S. invasion
As the FY2004 Intelligence Authorization was debated in 2003, no weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq. In response, Kucinich offered an amendment (H.AMDT.194) which would have audited all telephone and electronic communications between the CIA and the office of Vice President Cheney on the subject of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Kucinich argued that this would help determine what evidence there was for the initial invasion of Iraq.
Main article: Congressional actions on the Iraq War following the 2003 U.S. invasion
On January 10, 2007, Kucinich introduced a resolution (H.Con.Res.23) expressing, That it is the sense of Congress that the President should not order an escalation in the total number of members of the United States Armed Forces serving in Iraq.
Main article: Congressional actions regarding President Bushs 2007 proposed troop surge in Iraq
During the March 2007 debate of the Iraq supplemental spending bill, Rep. Kucinich supported an amendment by Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) requiring withdrawal of American forces by the end of 2007. Kucinich stated that the Lee Amendment makes sure the money is there to bring troops home...People are looking for leadership [to get the troops out of Iraq]. Here it is.
Main article: U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans' Health, and Iraq Accountability Act, 2007 (H.R.1591)
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Dennis_Kucinich#Iraq_War
During the debate in 2002 over the resolution giving the president the right to use military force against Iraq, Kucinich proposed an amendment to recommit the Iraq resolution to committee with instructions requiring the president to submit to Congress an estimate of the impact of the war on the U.S. economy, Iraqi citizens, and international stability. Supporters felt as though the motion was necessary, for the costs of the war were likely to be high and military action should remain a last resort in dealing with Iraq. The amendment failed 101-325.
Main article: Congressional actions on the Iraq War prior to the 2003 U.S. invasion
As the FY2004 Intelligence Authorization was debated in 2003, no weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq. In response, Kucinich offered an amendment (H.AMDT.194) which would have audited all telephone and electronic communications between the CIA and the office of Vice President Cheney on the subject of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Kucinich argued that this would help determine what evidence there was for the initial invasion of Iraq.
Main article: Congressional actions on the Iraq War following the 2003 U.S. invasion
On January 10, 2007, Kucinich introduced a resolution (H.Con.Res.23) expressing, That it is the sense of Congress that the President should not order an escalation in the total number of members of the United States Armed Forces serving in Iraq.
Main article: Congressional actions regarding President Bushs 2007 proposed troop surge in Iraq
During the March 2007 debate of the Iraq supplemental spending bill, Rep. Kucinich supported an amendment by Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) requiring withdrawal of American forces by the end of 2007. Kucinich stated that the Lee Amendment makes sure the money is there to bring troops home...People are looking for leadership [to get the troops out of Iraq]. Here it is.
Main article: U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans' Health, and Iraq Accountability Act, 2007 (H.R.1591)
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Dennis_Kucinich#Iraq_War
Kucinich voted against the USA PATRIOT Act and has been an outspoken opponent of the war in Iraq.
Kucinich has spoken out against the conference system of lawmaking. "It's a defect in the system," explains Kucinich. "When a bill goes into a conference committee, it gets yanked out of the sunlight and into the shadows. The conference process is a closed one, so you can go into a conference committee and basically add anything or take out anything you want and no one really knows. It transforms the legislature into a secret cabal."[4]
He has criticized Diebold Election Systems, and posted internal company memos on his websites. [5]
Kucinich is interested in media reform and has vowed to make it a national issue. Kucinich stated, "... there is great concern about the proper role of the media in a democratic society. The American people clearly do not want the media to be in a position where they're determining which candidates ought to be considered for the presidency and which ought not to be considered for the presidency. Such practice by the media represents a tampering with the political process itself. The role of the media in this process has now become a national issue central to the question of who's running our country."
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Dennis_Kucinich#Iraq_War
Kucinich has spoken out against the conference system of lawmaking. "It's a defect in the system," explains Kucinich. "When a bill goes into a conference committee, it gets yanked out of the sunlight and into the shadows. The conference process is a closed one, so you can go into a conference committee and basically add anything or take out anything you want and no one really knows. It transforms the legislature into a secret cabal."[4]
He has criticized Diebold Election Systems, and posted internal company memos on his websites. [5]
Kucinich is interested in media reform and has vowed to make it a national issue. Kucinich stated, "... there is great concern about the proper role of the media in a democratic society. The American people clearly do not want the media to be in a position where they're determining which candidates ought to be considered for the presidency and which ought not to be considered for the presidency. Such practice by the media represents a tampering with the political process itself. The role of the media in this process has now become a national issue central to the question of who's running our country."
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Dennis_Kucinich#Iraq_War

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