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223. Bullshit. The "problem" isn't their color, it's Nixon using their color.

Thu Nov 20, 2014, 01:47 PM

Nov 2014

The problem, among other things, as I said from the beginning is that Nixon is using them as fig leaves to mask his racist, militarized response to Ferguson protesters. I never said they were "token blacks." I have repeatedly said in this thread that Johnson is a great man, did a great job for the little time they gave him, and that he should be in charge.

You objected to this fig leaf characterization, claiming they were in fact "in charge" and suggested I was criticizing their color. Both claims are false. Neither of the two men are in charge. Yet Nixon tried to make it look like they were, or that they supported his racist, militaristic response, by having them stand directly behind him in camera shot.

To suggest I am criticizing someone's color is to attack me as a racist. That is outrageously offensive. And if you agree with me that Johnson should be in charge and that we should not have a militarized response, you should not be attacking me, you should be attacking Nixon and the FPD Chief.

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So suck it up, negras. Or you will be met with force. Fuck Governor Nixon! [View all] sheshe2 Nov 2014 OP

Well done - Thank You Mr. Mustard Nov 2014 #1

Agree 100%! freshwest Nov 2014 #8

I gotta say, Mr Mustard, I've heard the same thing from very progressive people.. mountain grammy Nov 2014 #13

Bravo! Two great sins America was founded upon: theft of land from indigenous folks already here and KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #17

Thank you as well. sheshe2 Nov 2014 #19

There is so much truth in what you have posted JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #65

Sure wish I had said it randys1 Nov 2014 #151

Well said and thanks. Gemini Cat Nov 2014 #74

not sure those people you think are very progressive... bettydavis Nov 2014 #121

Would love to K&R yuiyoshida Nov 2014 #183

Bravo. nt MrScorpio Nov 2014 #2

Puts the onus completely on the community and none on the authorities. What a one-sided statement! freshwest Nov 2014 #3

Gov. Nixon looks like a stereotype of an evil politician. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #4

He looks like a.... ReRe Nov 2014 #43

Yep! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2014 #180

Nixon means 'violence will not be tolerated' by citizens. Police violence, OTOH, will KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #5

not the best but... Liberal Lolita Nov 2014 #60

That's pretty good, I'd say! :) - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #61

Thank you! Liberal Lolita Nov 2014 #62

bubble randys1 Nov 2014 #154

awesome post, sheshe. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #6

Damn, the authorities in Missouri to hell! that's what they're trying to do to our Black Brothers Cha Nov 2014 #7

He reminds me of another Governor from a good ways back: KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #10

Exactly, KingCharlemagne :( Cha Nov 2014 #15

Yup! sheshe2 Nov 2014 #12

Sorry, you're in such an understandably bad place now, she.. Cha Nov 2014 #35

Beautiful image Cha! sheshe2 Nov 2014 #39

I understand completely.. I'm feelin' it too.. only not as Cha Nov 2014 #45

I call that photo... ReRe Nov 2014 #49

I agree with you She madokie Nov 2014 #42

Some words from a very wise Turkish poet (and Communist): KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #46

All Black people are my brothers and sisters, I am Ferguson, I am Michael Brown randys1 Nov 2014 #155

What was the purpose of the press conference? LeftInTX Nov 2014 #9

Ferguson Is Ready for Battle as Grand Jury Decision Looms freshwest Nov 2014 #11

The KKK is circulating flyers in the area warning protesters that KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #16

They've always worked the race angle... And the gullibles go with it, like mindless robots... freshwest Nov 2014 #23

Link to story about KKK recruitment and the flyer in question. (You have to KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #26

Of all the treacherous, hateful things in the world today, instead of healing wounds, they do this: freshwest Nov 2014 #27

A pic of the tweet and flyer... ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #34

KKK, County DA, Governor's Office, all the same to me randys1 Nov 2014 #157

Yup! And this fits as well, Nixons coming as well as the tin soldiers. sheshe2 Nov 2014 #31

We sang that in Washington, D.C. when we Mobilizes against his escalation of the war. The freshwest Nov 2014 #38

True.... sheshe2 Nov 2014 #40

Look at that picture of what the cops are preparing for...why do they need all that if the cop is randys1 Nov 2014 #201

Did he hold the press conference in Edmund Pettis Hall? Half-Century Man Nov 2014 #14

Horrible leadership in Missouri. This is going to become a self-fulfilling prophecy. nt Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #18

What's defiant about "Violence will not be tolerated"? Oktober Nov 2014 #20

Jesus, do you even bother to listen to yourself before KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #22

Should I take that to mean that "Violence will note be tolerated"... Oktober Nov 2014 #28

Nixon can whistle Dixie out his butt but it won't bring KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #33

Noted... I'll put you down in the "it depends" category when it comes to endorsing violence... Oktober Nov 2014 #48

I'll just bet you're busy compiling lists. Those risking life and liberty may not be KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #55

If the grand jury no bills you can not call a new grand jury without new evidence. Travis_0004 Nov 2014 #68

I'd love to get a lawyer to weigh in on that point or see some proof of your KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #72

did you know that King Charlemagne was part lawyer? snooper2 Nov 2014 #101

I think St. Louis would enjoy peace AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #129

I don't respond to 'baiting' or 'taunting,' your efforts to dissimulate notwithstanding. Your KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #140

LOL AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #142

The concept of a self-fulfilling prophecy appears to be lost on you LanternWaste Nov 2014 #218

Killing unarmed Black men or kids for jaywalking is not going to be tolerated randys1 Nov 2014 #159

I guess it is all about who is behind the violence. sheshe2 Nov 2014 #24

Hopefully neither... Oktober Nov 2014 #29

The police are now armed to the teeth. sheshe2 Nov 2014 #36

Really.... murdered in cold blood? AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #130

I have a bad feeling they won't. sheshe2 Nov 2014 #135

If they don't indcict AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #136

I guess you think no racism was in effect for the OJ verdict, either. WinkyDink Nov 2014 #174

OJ was not guilty AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #187

We could call it "getting away with murder." immoderate Nov 2014 #184

Executed is more like it. randys1 Nov 2014 #160

I don't support anyone AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #188

LOL wow randys1 Nov 2014 #196

I know AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #197

If the AA Community does what the white community would do without thinking twice randys1 Nov 2014 #198

So guilty AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #199

Every single witness that is known to the world tells the EXACT same story when it comes randys1 Nov 2014 #200

It must suck being so WRONG about everything AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #209

Wishful thinking. SalviaBlue Nov 2014 #98

The police are inciting violence from non-violent protestors and letting the KKK demons run amuck. freshwest Nov 2014 #30

There are two competing pronunciations here loyalsister Nov 2014 #87

The police have been violent while the protestors have been peaceful. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #37

the owner of quick trip might disagree. it wasnt the police who burned his building Travis_0004 Nov 2014 #69

That is a different use of the word violent. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #102

So the destruction of businesses since they are "inanimate objects" is a peaceful protest? tritsofme Nov 2014 #115

I wouldn't call that peaceful or violent. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #145

I consider looting at burning down buildings to be violent. Travis_0004 Nov 2014 #119

Do you consider ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #147

So "consider." Just kniow that puts you in the same league as those who call WinkyDink Nov 2014 #175

What about the employees who were inside? NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #167

"What about the employees who were inside?" ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #168

Thank you for your considered response. NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #173

Likely not the act of local protesters, but even if it was....I have an exercise for you, wanna play randys1 Nov 2014 #203

Good luck friend AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #128

You are so funny, making all kinds of excuses for cops and then yapping Rex Nov 2014 #224

Great post sheshe. Thanks. William769 Nov 2014 #21

No surprise loyalsister Nov 2014 #25

I did not know that about him, thanks. I was also reminded that MO was a slave state. freshwest Nov 2014 #32

Missouri is confused loyalsister Nov 2014 #51

Thanks for showing it's not been a solid line. I never paid much attention to MO. freshwest Nov 2014 #56

Hell, the Great Pathfinder himself, General John C. Fremont, was spanked publicly KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #80

He must have been heavily influenced by his father-in-law loyalsister Nov 2014 #84

I don't know much about Fremont's biography, but he was a fighter in the old KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #86

I read in Wikipedia that he married Thomas Hart Benton's daughter loyalsister Nov 2014 #88

No racism in the Democratic Party, huh? Gotta put us knee-grows in our place and make us Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #41

Weren't you taking a break LS~ sheshe2 Nov 2014 #52

Well....yes...um...let's see.... Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #148

Lol~ sheshe2 Nov 2014 #152

Your post seems to be all about race... MadDAsHell Nov 2014 #44

It is about race. sheshe2 Nov 2014 #50

You didn't notice how he only listed violence by Ferguson protesters? SunSeeker Nov 2014 #58

actually he said a number of times that Americans have a right to peacefully protest hfojvt Nov 2014 #97

That is very different from saying the police will not attack peaceful protesters. SunSeeker Nov 2014 #125

I guess we can make anything seem to be about anything... MadDAsHell Nov 2014 #141

No codes. I'm just going by what Nixon actually said. nt SunSeeker Nov 2014 #144

Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #149

The African Americans behind the governor are not for show. They hold positions of authority. Gore1FL Nov 2014 #156

Who seemed in charge to me was the Ferguson PD Chief and the National Guard. SunSeeker Nov 2014 #169

I just told you who they were and why they were there. Gore1FL Nov 2014 #176

It is Nixon who is disrespecting them by using them as fig leaves. SunSeeker Nov 2014 #186

I don't think that Johnson and Isom are Nixon's fools. I'll let them speak for themselves. Gore1FL Nov 2014 #191

Did Nixon let Johnson and Isom speak for themselves? SunSeeker Nov 2014 #193

Write them. Gore1FL Nov 2014 #208

For men "in charge," you'd think Nixon would have let them talk into the mic. nt SunSeeker Nov 2014 #214

I don't recall Obama letting everyone in his cabinet and the joint chiefs give a speech Gore1FL Nov 2014 #215

I'm judging Nixon based on his actions. SunSeeker Nov 2014 #216

You claim two African Americans are powerless ornanments for a press conference Gore1FL Nov 2014 #217

I never said they're powerless. I said Nixon is using them as fig leaves. SunSeeker Nov 2014 #219

Isom and Johnson are necessarily disparaged by your assertion. Gore1FL Nov 2014 #220

NIXON is disparaging them by not putting them in charge. SunSeeker Nov 2014 #221

First the problem was that the people standing behind nixon were African American. Gore1FL Nov 2014 #222

Bullshit. The "problem" isn't their color, it's Nixon using their color. SunSeeker Nov 2014 #223

I never attacked you as a racist Gore1FL Nov 2014 #225

I was not wrong. Nixon USED Johnson, without putting him "in charge." SunSeeker Nov 2014 #226

Well said Sheshe2. Thanks for a great post. nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #47

I am tired and I am Pissed and so very sad.. sheshe2 Nov 2014 #53

For Michael sheshe2 Nov 2014 #54

Sheshe2... ReRe Nov 2014 #57

K & R SunSeeker Nov 2014 #59

Probably wants to be the "Zell Miller" of the next GOP convention. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #63

I saw a segment on AC360 davidpdx Nov 2014 #64

Mr.Mustard has pretty much said what I think JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #66

Why should they have to martyr themselves passively, in order to rouse KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #76

It's not about white America's conscience JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #81

It would be the easiest thing in the world -- and the most hypocritical also -- for me KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #83

+1000 great post UglyGreed Nov 2014 #67

Typical Republican behavior. ncjustice80 Nov 2014 #70

Nixon is a democrat Travis_0004 Nov 2014 #71

Thanks for confirming that. Sheesh. Though to be fair Nixon's seems to be a DINO PFunk Nov 2014 #77

If he.is a member the party, he needs to be dealt with. ncjustice80 Nov 2014 #124

For what exactly? Within a legal and political context... Oktober Nov 2014 #158

His racist speech, heavy handed police actions, and victim blaming. ncjustice80 Nov 2014 #162

Most of that would fall into a subjective category I think... Oktober Nov 2014 #163

k&r... spanone Nov 2014 #73

I am reminded of Ronald Reagan as Governor of CA calling for a bloodbath to end protests at Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #75

As a former teacher (came of age 6-7 years after RR's 'bloodbath' statement), I have KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #78

He was an absolutely vile human being JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #82

Reagan's rhetoric was bad but his actions worse. Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #90

Agreed. Along those lines, I read a report that supposedly Lawrence Walsh was prepared to KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #94

That isn't decency, it is suicidal folly or active cover up. If the old fuck wasn't capable TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #179

It's a difficult call for me to make, given how much damage I trace to KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #182

I was speaking to Walsh's conduct, I can't even see what "decency" there is only shit stewardship TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #189

Your posts have prompted me to re-visit memories from my much-younger days, not least because I cut KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #194

I'm curious of what you think on the other days when you don't agree so much. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #195

There is nothing to add to this powerful post. K and R etherealtruth Nov 2014 #79

Good Post BronxBoy Nov 2014 #85

No justice no peace!!! azmom Nov 2014 #89

POC need their own tanks as JEB Nov 2014 #91

Looks like their going to use this as the excuse to perpetrate more violence. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #92

Wait a minute - I live here and there was violence from the protesters Red State Rebel Nov 2014 #93

"who threw Molotov cocktails" - funny, that line was always being alleged by the KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #95

How is this for proof? Red State Rebel Nov 2014 #103

Uh, no it's most certainly not from "the same KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #106

I will get you the link. This IS from Ferguson protests - say what you will. Red State Rebel Nov 2014 #108

You really should quit while you're ahead. Or not, as the KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #110

Wow, you don't take well to losing an argument, do you? Red State Rebel Nov 2014 #111

We're still waiting on your 'proof,' oh winner of arguments. So far, all KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #117

No....he really doesn't AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #131

you do realize noiretextatique Nov 2014 #204

As common AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #207

then you have no idea what you are talking about noiretextatique Nov 2014 #211

Is that the only photo you have for proof? I saw a caption that said the were unsuccessful rhett o rick Nov 2014 #133

How much effort does it take to be that obtuse? joeglow3 Nov 2014 #172

So you are really claiming that the protesters did nothing violent? Really? nt Logical Nov 2014 #210

RIF (Reading is Fundamental). This sub-thread was about the right-wing KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #212

Your welcome to continue to make stuff up. nt Logical Nov 2014 #213

If I was the mother of a teen shot down by police JEB Nov 2014 #100

Peaceful protesting for justice is one thing - violent protesters are asking for trouble. Red State Rebel Nov 2014 #104

Said KIng George III to the colonists at Bunker Hill. - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #107

So you are advocating that protesters be violent towards the community and the police? Red State Rebel Nov 2014 #109

No, I'm characterizing your response as 100% authoritarian, right in line KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #116

So AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #132

Well, it's not just a question. It actually falls under the category of 'baiting' or 'taunting'. Be KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #139

Actually it is in fact a question AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #143

They already have trouble. JEB Nov 2014 #112

So why were the police teargassing reporters? sheshe2 Nov 2014 #123

cointelpro, anyone? noiretextatique Nov 2014 #202

I like how Nixon's people were savvy enough to put a couple of us in the camera background Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #96

lol @ the black stage props d_b Nov 2014 #99

K&R logosoco Nov 2014 #105

Racism, sexism, LGBT-phobia -- all used by the 1% to keep the KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #122

NEVER should have gone to GJ, DA should have indicted long time ago randys1 Nov 2014 #164

Small technical note, but DAs do not have the power to indict (a good thing). As I KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #165

Nixon is an idiot, but what's he really supposed to do? Calista241 Nov 2014 #113

Well the life of Michael Brown is supposed to be protected JEB Nov 2014 #114

True. But it's not in Nixon's power to help Michael Brown at this point. Calista241 Nov 2014 #118

He thinks doing this will guarantee his reelection. White folk will vote for him. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #150

The real interplay is between McCullough and Nixon for a Senate run, fat chance for both. gordianot Nov 2014 #181

Nixon could have forcefully called for St. Louis County DA McCulloch to recuse KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #120

Where the F is his speech saying that White Thug Violence will not be tolerated against the citizens jillan Nov 2014 #126

Great post!!!!! mstinamotorcity2 Nov 2014 #127

K&R!!! napkinz Nov 2014 #134

Excellent ismnotwasm Nov 2014 #137

Kick JEB Nov 2014 #138

It just hit me loyalsister Nov 2014 #146

suck it up winetourdriver Nov 2014 #153

What a racist and fascist asshole. BeanMusical Nov 2014 #161

Let's see - you make up a bunch of stuff... NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #166

Nixon was talking about how PROTESTERS' violence won't be tolerated. SunSeeker Nov 2014 #170

Except that violence may happen either way. GoCubsGo Nov 2014 #171

Disingenuousness abounds herein. WinkyDink Nov 2014 #177

I seriously bet many of the cops are just itching for this to go horribly wrong so they RKP5637 Nov 2014 #178

He is appalling... Spazito Nov 2014 #185

Thank you Sazito. sheshe2 Nov 2014 #190

I am putting my trust in the DOJ, I have no trust in either McCulloch or the Grand Jury... Spazito Nov 2014 #192

Nixon sounds like Bull Connor. Brigid Nov 2014 #205

You nailed it - TBF Nov 2014 #206