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89. Nice dodge. You explicitly stated that your position is that only

Thu Nov 20, 2014, 01:40 PM

Nov 2014

perfect bills should be supported, specifically citing the ACA as an example.

So why I am against it when they are not? Because I am sick of the Democratic Party's new meme that flawed bills will somehow, someday lead to better bills.

LBJ did not pass the Civil Rights Act as a stop gap measure to get to civil rights. It was a balls to the wall progressive piece of legislation from the get go.

The ACA is not a step towards single payer. The USA Freedom Act in its current form is not a step towards ending the NSA surveillance state. Why in the hell can't Democrats put forth and fight for a bill that will actually do what it is meant to do from the actual start?

Your approach will align you with Rand Paul on every piece of legislation sponsored by Democrats.

Not likely by accident.

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Libertarian Champion Rand Paul Helped Kill NSA Reform Bill [View all] steve2470 Nov 2014 OP

Yeah, Rand Paul says a lot of things.. Cha Nov 2014 #1

my pleasure Cha, I really suspect his reason for voting no... steve2470 Nov 2014 #3

He voted NO.. 'cause.. Cha Nov 2014 #4

yep you nailed it Cha ! nt steve2470 Nov 2014 #6

So Do You Know The Answer? billhicks76 Nov 2014 #13

I don't know the reason for his no vote, no steve2470 Nov 2014 #14

Bye billhicks76 Nov 2014 #16

Fuck Rand Paul FSogol Nov 2014 #22

Who Cares billhicks76 Nov 2014 #42

Thinking Paul would address anything of substance is called gullibility. FSogol Nov 2014 #44

I Disagree billhicks76 Nov 2014 #45

Sorry to see admiration for grifting white supremacist, Ron Paul on DU. FSogol Nov 2014 #47

I'm Sorry billhicks76 Nov 2014 #71

Yes, hating Rand Paul's phoney politics = tacit approval of killing babies. FSogol Nov 2014 #75

What's More Pathetic billhicks76 Nov 2014 #72

LOL n/t FSogol Nov 2014 #76

Bill Hicks wasn't easily fooled by bullshit. Ikonoklast Nov 2014 #83

... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #80

Ron Not Rand billhicks76 Nov 2014 #98

your slip is showing snooper2 Nov 2014 #85

+1... SidDithers Nov 2014 #52

^^^Correct. This was brazen MANIPULATION to LEGALIZE spying^^^ woo me with science Nov 2014 #24

I'm only surprised by how many on this site don't understand... malokvale77 Nov 2014 #60

Just Like I'm Surprised billhicks76 Nov 2014 #73

I think you are right on this. malokvale77 Nov 2014 #59

This is the insanity that passes as political reason these days ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #79

I Don't Know billhicks76 Nov 2014 #99

A fraud just like his Dad N/T UglyGreed Nov 2014 #2

votes on the USA Freedom Act, S.2865 steve2470 Nov 2014 #5

Thanks for the link.. yeah, it was amazing that Nelson voted NO on Keystone! Cha Nov 2014 #7

it was , indeed, your people voted the right way on both bills ! nt steve2470 Nov 2014 #8

Democrats who voted no: Nelson steve2470 Nov 2014 #9

Wow, what was he thinking? Nelson? Oh yeah, let's have the NSA have free reign! Cruz is a Cha Nov 2014 #10

this is my guess about Nelson's votes steve2470 Nov 2014 #11

Thank you for that, Steve~ Cha Nov 2014 #12

So Cruz=Democrats? billhicks76 Nov 2014 #15

Welcome to the ugly monster Koch's Congress Iliyah Nov 2014 #20

On NSA So Was Obama billhicks76 Nov 2014 #40

Cruz and Lee both? Arkana Nov 2014 #27

In this case, Rand & the GOP got it right. TM99 Nov 2014 #17

I don't care how you try to color this rosy for Rand Paul and the GOP Iliyah Nov 2014 #18

Bullshit. The spying is a bipartisan goal of our corporate oligarchy, woo me with science Nov 2014 #30

Yes. It was a Trojan horse bill to legalize spying woo me with science Nov 2014 #26

Thank you Woo, exactly! TM99 Nov 2014 #37

Dems are in the pockets of Hollywood and Big Media. Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #38

"... BECAUSE if no bill is passed the spying provisions EXPIRE..." OnyxCollie Nov 2014 #70

! DeSwiss Nov 2014 #58

I would love to quote your full post but this will do... malokvale77 Nov 2014 #61

don't forget to click your heels together three times while wearing the ruby slippers nt geek tragedy Nov 2014 #62

Typical response from you - TM99 Nov 2014 #84

Do you think you would win a debate on substance geek tragedy Nov 2014 #86

On the actual topic of the OP which is NSA TM99 Nov 2014 #88

Nice dodge. You explicitly stated that your position is that only geek tragedy Nov 2014 #89

You want to chit chat about the ACA TM99 Nov 2014 #90

I am a Democrat who supports Democratic legislation geek tragedy Nov 2014 #91

Yes, we are definitely opposed to each other then. TM99 Nov 2014 #92

You think it was perfect? nt geek tragedy Nov 2014 #93

A great piece of legislation that was neither TM99 Nov 2014 #94

The New Deal was not 'a piece of legislation' geek tragedy Nov 2014 #95

Oh come on. TM99 Nov 2014 #96

No, I believe that flawed legislation that improves geek tragedy Nov 2014 #97

Watch out; all the Paulites are going to label you as an authoritarian sheep for exposing their idol Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #19

Since when are Democrats infavor of extending the Patriot Act? DesMoinesDem Nov 2014 #21

Rand Paul is such a fraud... Spazito Nov 2014 #23

Ditto for corporate Democrats, who have fought to defend spying all along, woo me with science Nov 2014 #34

LOL...just LOL... Spazito Nov 2014 #39

Well, "entertaining" is one word for it. Number23 Nov 2014 #64

I thought I was reading the script from a 1930's movie... Spazito Nov 2014 #65

HA!! Number23 Nov 2014 #67

Bwhahahaha Cali_Democrat Nov 2014 #68

Yep, one of those really bad movies with cliche after cliche after cliche... Spazito Nov 2014 #69

he “felt bad” that the bill failed, because it “probably needed my vote," Johonny Nov 2014 #25

Yeah people need to wise up, Rand is just another con man trying to rip us all off. Rex Nov 2014 #28

Yes, he's a con man, but so was this bill. woo me with science Nov 2014 #31

I don't expect things to change, the GOP mutilated the U.S. Consitution under Reagan Rex Nov 2014 #32

GOPer senators voted for Keystone including Rand Paul Iliyah Nov 2014 #36

Libertarians will stab you in the back every time Peacetrain Nov 2014 #29

And so will corporate Democrats. woo me with science Nov 2014 #33

So true. Bobbie Jo Nov 2014 #35

Fetid smarmy little scammer. Skidmore Nov 2014 #41

Looks like this thread caught some of DU's resident Paulites Cali_Democrat Nov 2014 #43

I was noticing that a few of those who keep Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2014 #46

Indeed, Dr. Hobbitstein! Number23 Nov 2014 #66

Disappointing that Bill Mahr is so enamored of Paul, isn't it? elias49 Nov 2014 #48

But their attempts to hijack the thread... SidDithers Nov 2014 #54

Can you say "corporate Democrats" five times fast? Cali_Democrat Nov 2014 #56

Yup, pretty funny. FSogol Nov 2014 #55

Without fail. nt Bobbie Jo Nov 2014 #57

One step closer to no patriot act is a good thing. Clint0n Nov 2014 #49

Hey Steve.. Your OP is on the Home page in the Left Column! Cha Nov 2014 #50

".. Paul said he “felt bad” that the bill failed, because it “probably needed my vote.." RP talkin' Cha Nov 2014 #51

But #StandWithRand!!!... SidDithers Nov 2014 #53

, blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #63

say it ain't so randy . . . ucrdem Nov 2014 #74

On the same BS statements Congressional members put out when they are spineless to stand behind Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #77

He's another Conservative "Libertarian" Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #78

But we get to smoke all the dope we want! eom. 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #82

Fuck Rand Paul. A Democratic president could have ended it but chose not to Autumn Nov 2014 #81

Rand Paul is a regular ass TeaPubliKlan that plays a libertarian on and for TV TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #87