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Sancho

(9,211 posts)
32. Unfortunately, this is going to be a big week for my generic post...see #2.
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 04:56 PM
Nov 2014

People Control, Not Gun Control

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.).
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, rent scuba equipment, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

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Didn't he fit the profile of being a gun owner? FSogol Nov 2014 #1
no, he fit the profile of being a fucking asshole snooper2 Nov 2014 #4
He didn't own a gun? FSogol Nov 2014 #7
beats me, he could have taken it from the people he was living with, bought it on the street corner snooper2 Nov 2014 #8
Gun owners are murderers? GGJohn Nov 2014 #20
Gun owners who shoot people and gun Owners who don't shoot people are both subsets FSogol Nov 2014 #22
That's not what your comment implies, GGJohn Nov 2014 #23
Maybe I need to not worry about what gun owners think and warn my kids to stay safe on campus. FSogol Nov 2014 #24
Fine, carry on. GGJohn Nov 2014 #25
Those cornerstone sarisataka Nov 2014 #35
People who kill people in the united states and people who drive cars are both subsets of people Kurska Nov 2014 #27
That begs the question sarisataka Nov 2014 #21
the fact that it happened at 12:30am seems atypical. unblock Nov 2014 #2
Yes, substance use was my first thought. RebelOne Nov 2014 #3
More uninformed nonsense phil89 Nov 2014 #9
Connecting substance abuse to violence Aerows Nov 2014 #14
There were 300-400 students in the library at the time of the shooting. Lochloosa Nov 2014 #5
I strongly suspect a relationship issue Warpy Nov 2014 #29
The shooter was killed at the scene Lurks Often Nov 2014 #31
that or a job issue. One of the two usually comes out, sometimes both. bettyellen Nov 2014 #34
Oh, my. Wewahitchka.... tosh Nov 2014 #6
Lots religious postings on his FB page, and the people LeftinOH Nov 2014 #10
Oh great a black man shoots up a school just before the Ferguson decision. dilby Nov 2014 #11
Sort of looks like you are, actually. nt Dreamer Tatum Nov 2014 #12
Sort of pisses me off that a shooting took place that will be exploited dilby Nov 2014 #13
I'm sure that you'll agree H2O Man Nov 2014 #15
Really because every cop connects a black man to a shooting. dilby Nov 2014 #16
That was not even on my mind when posting this. madfloridian Nov 2014 #26
Interesting website, video about Taunton children's home in Wewahitchka, FL madfloridian Nov 2014 #17
I would argue that there IS a profile hfojvt Nov 2014 #18
Was he on a psychotropic? (or had just come off one)? Wella Nov 2014 #19
Or ya know, maybe crazy violent people tend to be put on medication. (Nice Scientology source btw) Kurska Nov 2014 #28
That's an overreaction to post on the internet Wella Nov 2014 #30
At least you are using the right word now. Kurska Nov 2014 #33
Unfortunately, this is going to be a big week for my generic post...see #2. Sancho Nov 2014 #32
Let me address that. GGJohn Nov 2014 #36
What about those cystal bath salts ... aggiesal Nov 2014 #37
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