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Kurska

(5,739 posts)
33. At least you are using the right word now.
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 05:05 PM
Nov 2014

You're presenting the assertion that because some school shooters were on meds the meds could have caused them to do the school shooting.

So if there is a causal link, why is it functioning for only a tiny sliver of the population? These drugs are given to millions of people, if they are strong enough to make people kill why aren't we swamped with millions of murders? Gee, you think it might actually be that the kind of people who get put on psychiatric drugs tend to have the kind of problems in their lives or personality issues that might make them represent a statistically higher percentage of school shooters than the general population? Maybe correlation isn't causation, like they teach you in any basic statistics course.

"Add to that the fact that many anti-depressants and drugs for bi-polar disorder--which have not been tested on teens but are being increasingly prescribed for them--cause homicidal or suicidal behavior. "

Okay, even if I accepted your premise, which is that SSRI's (which are what you are actually talking about don't know if you know that) cause homicidal or suicidal behavior, how would you know that it does that in teens if they haven't been tested on teens (they have actually, of course they have they wouldn't be prescribing them is they hadn't).

http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/cap.2006.0138

Metanalysis of many different studies that found no link (in fact a reduction) in aggression for teens when on prozac vs. placebo.

Meanwhile, Lithium (the drug used for bi-polar disorder) is a mood stabilizer that reduces both aggression and suicidal thoughts. That is the point of the damn thing, it makes bipolar people better.

These drugs aren't untested, they are generally safe (just like how any medication can cause a bad reaction) and have clinically significant helpful effects. I don't care about your anecdotes when the newest and best evidence is showing that the hysterical reactions of people to early studies are being disproved by newer and more comprehensive research across several studies.

This is just like the vaccines cause autism business. A few early studies raise the alarm, science investigates it finds there isn't a problem and yahoos like the church of Scientology pimp old data,, cherry picked correlations and anecdotes to attack modern medicine.

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Didn't he fit the profile of being a gun owner? FSogol Nov 2014 #1
no, he fit the profile of being a fucking asshole snooper2 Nov 2014 #4
He didn't own a gun? FSogol Nov 2014 #7
beats me, he could have taken it from the people he was living with, bought it on the street corner snooper2 Nov 2014 #8
Gun owners are murderers? GGJohn Nov 2014 #20
Gun owners who shoot people and gun Owners who don't shoot people are both subsets FSogol Nov 2014 #22
That's not what your comment implies, GGJohn Nov 2014 #23
Maybe I need to not worry about what gun owners think and warn my kids to stay safe on campus. FSogol Nov 2014 #24
Fine, carry on. GGJohn Nov 2014 #25
Those cornerstone sarisataka Nov 2014 #35
People who kill people in the united states and people who drive cars are both subsets of people Kurska Nov 2014 #27
That begs the question sarisataka Nov 2014 #21
the fact that it happened at 12:30am seems atypical. unblock Nov 2014 #2
Yes, substance use was my first thought. RebelOne Nov 2014 #3
More uninformed nonsense phil89 Nov 2014 #9
Connecting substance abuse to violence Aerows Nov 2014 #14
There were 300-400 students in the library at the time of the shooting. Lochloosa Nov 2014 #5
I strongly suspect a relationship issue Warpy Nov 2014 #29
The shooter was killed at the scene Lurks Often Nov 2014 #31
that or a job issue. One of the two usually comes out, sometimes both. bettyellen Nov 2014 #34
Oh, my. Wewahitchka.... tosh Nov 2014 #6
Lots religious postings on his FB page, and the people LeftinOH Nov 2014 #10
Oh great a black man shoots up a school just before the Ferguson decision. dilby Nov 2014 #11
Sort of looks like you are, actually. nt Dreamer Tatum Nov 2014 #12
Sort of pisses me off that a shooting took place that will be exploited dilby Nov 2014 #13
I'm sure that you'll agree H2O Man Nov 2014 #15
Really because every cop connects a black man to a shooting. dilby Nov 2014 #16
That was not even on my mind when posting this. madfloridian Nov 2014 #26
Interesting website, video about Taunton children's home in Wewahitchka, FL madfloridian Nov 2014 #17
I would argue that there IS a profile hfojvt Nov 2014 #18
Was he on a psychotropic? (or had just come off one)? Wella Nov 2014 #19
Or ya know, maybe crazy violent people tend to be put on medication. (Nice Scientology source btw) Kurska Nov 2014 #28
That's an overreaction to post on the internet Wella Nov 2014 #30
At least you are using the right word now. Kurska Nov 2014 #33
Unfortunately, this is going to be a big week for my generic post...see #2. Sancho Nov 2014 #32
Let me address that. GGJohn Nov 2014 #36
What about those cystal bath salts ... aggiesal Nov 2014 #37
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