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Kelvin Mace

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21. Which is kind of my point

Thu Nov 20, 2014, 06:38 PM

Nov 2014

When I talk about a "liberal" candidate, being from the Left and being rather strident about the dictionary definition of the word, I am talking about a candidate who is:

Pro-women (and all related women's issues from pay to birth control)
Pro-gun control
Pro-infrastructure investment
Pro-progressive taxation
Pro-Environment
Pro-Green Energy
Pro-marriage equality
Pro-civil rights

etc.

However, there are a number of "Democrats" that are opposed to many of those views (and they lost badly in the last election). So as a "liberal", the term "Democrat" is meaningless to me, as is supporting the party who insists on supporting and RUNNING such people.

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The words "Democrat" and "Republican" are pretty much meaningless [View all] Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 OP

All that is left are the Center and Hard Right wings of hifiguy Nov 2014 #1

I am owned by my own person, do not need a master, I am Democrat. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #6

Joe Lieberman was a Democrat Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #14

And there are Democrats I am not fond, using your criteria there would be several Democats I will Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #15

Which is kind of my point Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #21

Uh WHAT???? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #2

its not that they are the same, but there is no serious political left La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2014 #4

then start one.....nobody is stopping you...IF your policies are SOOO exceptional.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #5

So, your point of view Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #42

no my point is why are we expected to be beholden to VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #43

So, Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #45

Am I ashamed of BEING a Democrat? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #46

And that is why we lose. Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #48

you dare come here and talk that way about Actual Democrats VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #49

Says the Poster Child for "Respect" bobduca Nov 2014 #55

I RESPECT Democrats on Democratic Underground...Not Left Leaning Independents.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #59

they "have a sad" because they had to read your drivel bobduca Nov 2014 #63

says the Left Leaning Independent VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #64

Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #68

Says the Left Leaning Independent....you don't get to define my "Democratness" VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #71

Looks like someone has earned themselves a several week timeout. Whats interesting is... stevenleser Nov 2014 #77

I agree....their attacks are getting more and more ridiculous... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #81

Not his first time-out, either. Bobbie Jo Nov 2014 #85

wow.. lol, look who's talked about "divisive bullshit"! Cha Nov 2014 #87

Yes, I do Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #69

but see if you are a Left Leaning Independent that won't vote for whomever wins the Primary VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #78

people not voting is why we lose midterms VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #50

Independents aren't Democrats AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #58

No Independents are not VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #60

People don't vote on the left unless they Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #65

baloney.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #66

So, since my opinion does not conform to what YOU believe it should be Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #73

Yeah...GOOD DAY INDEED! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #92

Yes. There is a contingent who demands the rest of the party beg them to join treestar Nov 2014 #67

Just for the record, Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #74

No that is not what the Democrats do treestar Nov 2014 #75

Again, didn't say it Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #83

and that is because elections have consequences....and SOME stay home intentionally.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #93

what with the random aggression? i am articulating a point of view many democrats feel La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2014 #91

Here's a little list compiled by DUer woo me with science hifiguy Nov 2014 #7

that is just a bunch of lines of text that someone believes... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #8

Well, isn't that special. hifiguy Nov 2014 #11

then tell him to do it.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #51

LOL, yes, I as going to follow a piece of paper rather than how... Odin2005 Nov 2014 #34

because you arent one VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #52

Then start a party with a litmus test of that list treestar Nov 2014 #70

Woo also claims republicans ran Paul Ryan as VP to ensure Obama won emulatorloo Nov 2014 #79

^^This^^ Bobbie Jo Nov 2014 #88

I read the OP three times and didn't get anything like that from it. arcane1 Nov 2014 #10

That is happening by degrees Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #16

Reading comprehension fail. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #32

Wasn't sure where you were going, after hearing today "what" Democrats Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #3

What our enemies think Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #18

Do you think a candidate which pleases the far left is going to please other Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #19

"far left" Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #22

Are you center left? Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #24

No, very left, Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #33

But you have described yourself as very left, not every Democrat is far left, I dont consider myself Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #35

Again, we might sit down and compare notes and discover we are Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #40

It may not surprise you but I see poison in different directions, when ut gets down Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #53

Your post is pretty much meaningless tabasco Nov 2014 #9

Sorry it was too difficult for you to understand. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #20

What garbage. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #12

So, they are keeping MAJORITY Leader McConnel at bay? Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Nov 2014 #17

You noticed that too? Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #23

No irisblue Nov 2014 #25

Irisblue? Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #27

You're welcome irisblue Nov 2014 #29

You've got it pretty much down. Smarmie Doofus Nov 2014 #26

Thanks Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #28

No--they aren't...look at POTUS now. n t msanthrope Nov 2014 #30

That is precisely the kind of thinking baldguy Nov 2014 #31

Not what I said. Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #37

Seems you don't understand the meaning of the word "meaningless". baldguy Nov 2014 #39

I refered to the words/labels "Democrat" and "Republican" Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #41

It moves to the left overall treestar Nov 2014 #72

Sorry, I must respectfully disagree Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #76

Bullshit. Al Franken. Mitch McConnell. MineralMan Nov 2014 #36

OK Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #44

Joe Lieberman is an excellent point, against you. He had to go independent at the end. stevenleser Nov 2014 #82

Right, and how many Democrats Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #84

Well, that's one of the stupidest things I've read lately bhikkhu Nov 2014 #38

Once again, Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #47

They are very similar on many issues, but ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #54

Well said. n/t nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #56

Seriously, peal away the layer of corporate ownership and you find they are still very different. Rex Nov 2014 #57

Well said. emulatorloo Nov 2014 #80

Never thought I would pine for the GOP to be ruled by neo-cons again Rex Nov 2014 #90

Citizens United is erasing the distinction. n/t Orsino Nov 2014 #61

If by "Democratic Party" you mean "Democratic Party leadership", I agree. Scuba Nov 2014 #62

The results the parties see are night and day different tuhaybey Nov 2014 #86

And I agree with you completely Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #89